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Old 11 Jun 2024, 21:51 (Ref:4213061)   #1026
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Ocon and Russell would have to be the most underwhelming and petulant pairing for the 2025 grid if it happened.
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Old 11 Jun 2024, 22:15 (Ref:4213066)   #1027
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Is his manager actually Toto?

Feel like Toto would have to break Ocon of his best attribute, his aggressive style, in order to make him fit into the Merc team…but would that ruin him as a driver and as a client?

Bit like Flav never actually putting Webber into a Renault?
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Old 12 Jun 2024, 04:12 (Ref:4213075)   #1028
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Is his manager actually Toto?

Feel like Toto would have to break Ocon of his best attribute, his aggressive style, in order to make him fit into the Merc team…but would that ruin him as a driver and as a client?

Bit like Flav never actually putting Webber into a Renault?
Lol!!!!

There are some parallels...
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Old 21 Jun 2024, 17:46 (Ref:4216316)   #1029
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reluctant to share this but it seems like its becoming a 'bigger than it should be' story.

apparently someone has sent out a mass email claiming Merc have been sabotaging Ham.

obviously everyone denying, Toto, saying their is a police investigation, Vasseur also addressing how ridiculous the assertion is.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/c...-car-sabotage/

https://twitter.com/wearetherace/sta...68750628732943

i can understand leaving Ham out of 2024 discussions, offering GR first crack at updates and race strategies as the team starts preparing for 2024...but actual sabotage?
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Old 21 Jun 2024, 18:16 (Ref:4216321)   #1030
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Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Some of the die-hard LH fans want to find any excuse for why he's being beaten by Russell. There was similar nonsense flying around the first half of 2022.
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i can understand leaving Ham out of 2024 discussions, offering GR first crack at updates and race strategies as the team starts preparing for 2024...but actual sabotage?
I think I read something months ago (not too long after Hamilton's move was announced) that Mercedes was being more restrictive on what they share with Hamilton regarding future plans and that is as it should be. But I also agree that there is no reason to actively try to sabotage his results.

This does feel like some type of effort from an unhinged LH fan.

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I think I read something months ago (not too long after Hamilton's move was announced) that Mercedes was being more restrictive on what they share with Hamilton regarding future plans and that is as it should be. But I also agree that there is no reason to actively try to sabotage his results.

This does feel like some type of effort from an unhinged LH fan.

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Regarding Russell getting the upgraded front wing first - Shovlin: "Lewis said, if we’re going to start doing this where we haven’t got enough parts, let George run it in Monaco. There will be races in the future where we have a single update, and of course, we just alternate, from here on in. But Lewis actually made that decision quite simple for us.”
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Old 21 Jun 2024, 20:02 (Ref:4216331)   #1033
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And Mercedes have reported the matter to the police, as well as conducting enquiries themselves in the source of the communications. Wolff confirms that no members of the team are behind the matter.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...mail/10625689/
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Old 21 Jun 2024, 20:57 (Ref:4216336)   #1034
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That’s the part that I found a bit odd/interesting…rather, if you are certain it’s not a team member then why inform the police?

To go after some two bit journalist who makes things up or a fan(atic) who has crossed the line? People make up and stir stuff all the time, will they go to the cops every time from now on?

Mind you I’m not against that, most of the nonsense stuff online is toxic and should be policed better and more certainly more accountability in what’s been said. Impossible I know but kind of good for them making this a police issue.

Not the same thing, but a Spanish court apparently just sentenced a couple of fans for yelling racist crap. Imo a change for the good.
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Old 21 Jun 2024, 21:38 (Ref:4216338)   #1035
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chilli, I think that it was the death element in the messaging that has made up their minds that it needed to be reported. So that, god forbid, an accident happened involving Hamilton, then fingers couldn't be pointed at Mercedes, especially as they had nothing to hide. It's really an insurance policy to cover their backsides!
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The one bizarre thing is if this has really been sent to the same list as the Horner emails, then that would seem to rule out over-enthusiastic fanboys wouldn’t it?
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chilli, I think that it was the death element in the messaging that has made up their minds that it needed to be reported. So that, god forbid, an accident happened involving Hamilton, then fingers couldn't be pointed at Mercedes, especially as they had nothing to hide. It's really an insurance policy to cover their backsides!
didn’t see that part of it.
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The one bizarre thing is if this has really been sent to the same list as the Horner emails, then that would seem to rule out over-enthusiastic fanboys wouldn’t it?
Why? Are you saying insiders are incapable of being fanatics?

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Only the person who sent the Horner emails and those who received them know the full list, so this is going to be child’s play to work out who sent them.
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Only the person who sent the Horner emails and those who received them know the full list, so this is going to be child’s play to work out who sent them.
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Only the person who sent the Horner emails and those who received them know the full list, so this is going to be child’s play to work out who sent them.
IMHO, there are two challenges here. First, the Google drive link from the Horner email leaked enough that it became public info. I can imagine that early on some (many) of the recipients likely forwarded the entire email (with distribution list included) to other colleagues, friends and family. Given this was months ago, I expect the number of people who have the eamil distribution list is much larger than you think. And frankly building an accurate list of who has that distribution list might be nearly impossible to do. Second, while I think I read there may be a death threat in the Hamilton email? I don't see there being any serious investigation. I think Toto making a police report is 90% theater to show the accusation is false and Mercedes has nothing to hide.

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Quite frankly we shouldn’t speculate too much. But it is worrying what Merc have received. Really no tolerance for that sort of thing
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