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23 Mar 2004, 23:18 (Ref:917207) | #26 | |
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Renualt don't want Ralf.The only one's who want Ralf are Toyota but Ralf his holding out because Toyota are not all they are cracked up to be this year.
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24 Mar 2004, 00:05 (Ref:917242) | #27 | ||
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I also think the same... i was just looking at different scenarios.
We all know that Flavio is a smart man and I don't see him loosing Mark without a very good compensation. Some people would say that Ralf is far from being a good compensation... and I could agree in some points. Although I'm German, I'm not biased. Last edited by DieRitter; 24 Mar 2004 at 00:08. |
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24 Mar 2004, 06:58 (Ref:917456) | #28 | ||
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Interesting grumpy.
I was just thinking today...it's soooo obvious that ralf wants to stay and will not want to go to toyota that frank could hold up negotiations for MONTHS and still have him dangling. Now wouldn't that be funny ...and the only seat left would be jordan,ROTFL |
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24 Mar 2004, 08:20 (Ref:917527) | #29 | ||
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Would anybody tell me they will react differently if they were in Ralf's shoes? What's wrong with a guy fighting for the best seat AND also want a better pay?
That's the problem with negotiation isn't it? Ralf wants a better pay just like every other driver or human being in fact, Williams want the best value for money just like any business..and it's just a normal process where they would end on a compromise, favouring the guy who needs the other less. |
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Williams will save a fourtune doing this, well done Frank your money saving schemes will work well
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24 Mar 2004, 10:42 (Ref:917670) | #31 | |
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Please Get rid of Ralf, he belongs in a second rate team to complement his second rate skills. BMW gets Ralf and Honda gets Sato and the sport suffers.
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24 Mar 2004, 11:57 (Ref:917731) | #34 | |
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Gt_R,
whats wrong with us having a poke at a driver who drives like a sissy and expects to be paid like a prima donna?? sure if half can get a better salary he should go for it, good for him. all this just proves that half is an ass. he needs the carrot and stick approach. |
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24 Mar 2004, 12:23 (Ref:917751) | #35 | ||
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Hopefully this new arrangement can motivate Ralf. But really, the great drivers aren't motivated by money. Mansell took a pay cut to return to Williams in 1991. The fact that Ferrari paid Michael more than Benetton for 1996 is coincidental in my view - he relished a new challenge. Ra;f hasn't showed himself to be anything more than a mercenary - and one whose driving is tempramental, flair-free and often riddled with mistakes.
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dbl post sorry.
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24 Mar 2004, 23:39 (Ref:918554) | #38 | |
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I have long thought that most drivers should be on something like a base salary and "commission" or "bonus" pay per event for the bigger money. I find this to be especially important for drivers who are inconsistant - like Ralf.
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So....Ralf would have (theorectically) got paid $0 for Malaysia seeing as he DNF'ed??
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25 Mar 2004, 03:55 (Ref:918699) | #40 | ||
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0$ over and above his base salary, which is not likely to be as much as Juans' current rate, I suspect.
Ralf sure painted himself into a corner with this one, with help from Willi, of course. Have you ever noticed that whenever there's a TV shot of Willi on race weekend, he's hangin' in the Ferrari pit? Can't blame him, really. It's like blue collar versus the upper crust. Or maybe Frank and Patrick won't allow him in the garage? |
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