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Old 12 Feb 2020, 08:59 (Ref:3957159)   #1
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1958 British Saloon Car Championship

I've been studying the late Frank de Jong's website in an attempt to get an idea of the full points table for that season as it's established that only the top 6 positions are known. I've had to make some crazy assumptions in order to get the points totals right but I've got a rough idea now.

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Old 12 Feb 2020, 10:25 (Ref:3957181)   #2
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What's the outcome, NNC?
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Old 12 Feb 2020, 10:56 (Ref:3957190)   #3
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Will reply ASAP, not really in a position to give the full story at mo.
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Old 12 Feb 2020, 13:49 (Ref:3957232)   #4
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Right. Here goes....

It's established that points were awarded to the first 3 finishers in each class.

Sources:

https://btcc.fandom.com/wiki/1958_BSCC_Season
Alex Burnham's 60 Seasons book

Frank's website establishes the scoring system as 7-4-2 plus a bonus point for setting the fastest lap and the top 6 in the Standings as follows:

1. Jack Sears 48
2. Tommy Sopwith 48
3. John Sprinzel 47
4. Doc Shepherd 41
5. Alan Foster 40
6. Jeff Uren 36

http://touringcarracing.net/Pages/19...C%20Class.html
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Old 12 Feb 2020, 14:18 (Ref:3957240)   #5
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Class A (Up to 1200cc) Results:

Round 1-Brands Hatch

1st John Sprinzel (Austin) 7
2nd Doc Shepherd (Austin) 4
3rd? Fred Marriot (Morris) 2?
Fastest Lap: Sprinzel 1

Round 2-Brands Hatch

1st Sprinzel 7
2nd Shepherd 4
3rd P.D. Shanks (Austin) 2
Other: Marriot, possibly Young (Ford), a Ford, 2 Fiats and a VW
Fastest Lap: Sprinzel 1

Round 3-Mallory Park

1st Sprinzel 7
2nd Shepherd 4
3rd Bob Gerard (Austin) 2
Other: Marriot
Fastest Lap: Shepherd 1

Round 4-Brands Hatch

1st Sprinzel 7
2nd Shepherd 4
3rd Marriot 2
Other: Shanks
Fastest Lap: Sprinzel 1

Round 5-Brands Hatch

1st Sprinzel 7
2nd Marriot 4
3rd Len Adams (Austin) 2
Other: W.H. Ellis (Fiat), R.C. Ritchie (Fiat), Alan Adler (Skoda), Shepherd
Fastest Lap: Unknown (I assume it was Sprinzel, will explain why later) 1

Round 6-Crystal Palace

1st Shepherd 7
2nd Sprinzel 4
3rd Marriot 2
Fastest Lap: Shepherd 1

Round 7-Brands Hatch

1st Sprinzel 7
2nd Shepherd 4
3rd J.E. Wheeler (Austin) 2
Fastest Lap: Unknown (I assume it was Sprinzel, will explain why later) 1

Round 8-Brands Hatch

1st Shepherd/Graham Hill (Austin) 7
2nd Adams 4
3rd Wheeler 2
Fastest Lap: Shepherd/Hill 1

Round 9-Brands Hatch

1st Shepherd 7
2nd Adams 4
3rd Marriot 2
Fastest Lap: Shepherd

Class A Standings:

1. Sprinzel 47 (6 Wins, 1 2nd, 3 known Fastest Laps so 42+4+3 which comes to 49 but it has to be 51 in order to drop the 1 2nd place so that's why I credit him with the Fastest Laps at Rounds 5 and 7)
2. Shepherd 41 (3 Wins, 5 2nds, 4 Fastest Laps so 21+20+4 which makes 45 then drop 1 2nd)
3. Marriot 10 (Possibly 12)
4. Adams 10
5. Hill 8
6. Wheeler 4
7=. Shanks, Gerard 2
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Old 12 Feb 2020, 14:45 (Ref:3957245)   #6
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Class B (1201cc to 1600cc) Results:

Round 1-Brands Hatch

1st Alan Foster (MG) 7
Fastest Lap: Foster 1

Round 2-Brands Hatch

1st Tommy Bridger (Borgward) 7
2nd Harold Grace (Riley) 4
3rd Foster 2
Fastest Lap: Bridger 1

Round 3-Mallory Park

1st Les Leston (Riley) 7
2nd Bridger 4
3rd H. Brierley (Sunbeam) 2
Other: A.H. Senior (Austin), Grace
Fastest Lap: Bridger 1

Round 4-Brands Hatch

1st Bridger 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd Barney Everley (Hillman) 2
Fastest Lap: Unknown (Not Foster, possibly Bridger) 1

Round 5-Brands Hatch

1st Bridger 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd H.R. Vincent (Wolseley) 2
Fastest Lap: Unknown (Not Foster, possibly Bridger) 1

Round 6-Crystal Palace

1st Foster 7
2nd D. Harris (Borgward) 4
3rd Everley 2
Fastest Lap: Foster/Harris 1

Round 7-Brands Hatch

1st Foster 7
2nd Ray North (Riley) 4
3rd Everley 2
Fastest Lap: Foster (According to the Final Standings) 1

Round 8-Brands Hatch

1st Leston 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd Everley 2
Fastest Lap: Leston 1

Round 9-Brands Hatch

1st Leston 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd Harris 2
Fastest Lap: Leston 1

Class B Standings:

1. Foster 40 (3 Wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd, 3 Fastest Laps so 21+16+4+3=44 then drop the 1 3rd)
2. Bridger 27 (Possibly 29)
3. Leston 23
4. Everley 8
5. Harris 6
6=. Grace, North 4
8=. Brierley, Vincent 2
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Class C (1601cc to 2700cc) Results:

Round 1-Brands Hatch

1st Jack Sears (Austin) 7
2nd David Haynes (Austin) 4
3rd A. Searles (Riley) 2
Fastest Lap: Sears 1

Round 2-Brands Hatch

1st Sears 7
2nd Jeff Uren (Ford) 4
3rd? Searles 2?
Fastest Lap: Sears (According to the Final Standings) 1

Round 3-Mallory Park

1st J Uren 7
2nd Sears 4
3rd Ian Walker (Austin) 2
Other: Edgar Wadsworth (Healey)
Fastest Lap: Sears 1

Round 4-Brands Hatch

1st Sears 7
2nd J Uren 4
3rd Haynes 2
Fastest Lap: Sears (According to the Final Standings) 1

Round 5-Brands Hatch

1st Sears 7
DNF/DNS/2nd? J Uren 4?

Fastest Lap: J Uren? (Not Sears, according to the Final Standings) 1

Round 6-Crystal Palace

1st J Uren 7
2nd Haynes 4
Fastest Lap: J Uren 1

Round 7-Brands Hatch

1st Sears 7
2nd Uren 4
3rd Haynes 2
Fastest Lap: Sears (According to the Final Standings) 1

Round 8-Brands Hatch

1st Sears 7
2nd J Uren 4
3rd Haynes 2
Fastest Lap: Sears 1

Round 9-Brands Hatch

1st Sears 7
2nd Peter Jopp (Jaguar) 4
Fastest Lap: Sears 1

Class C Standings:

1. Sears 48 (7 Wins, 1 2nd, 7 Fastest Laps so 49+4+7=60 then drop 1 Win, 1 2nd and 1 Fastest Lap)
2. J Uren 36 (2 Wins, 4 known 2nds, 1 known Fastest Lap but that only makes 31 so I've had to assume that for some crazy reason, he was credited with 2nd and fastest lap in his class at Round 5 regardless of happened to him in that race in order to make up the extra 5 points)
3. Haynes 14
4. Jopp 4
5. Searles 2 (Possibly 4)
6. Walker 2
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Old 12 Feb 2020, 15:33 (Ref:3957255)   #8
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Class D (2701cc and over) Results:

Round 1-Brands Hatch

1st Tommy Sopwith (Jaguar) 7
2nd Gawaine Baillie (Jaguar) 4
3rd John Young (Jaguar) 2
Other: Don Parker (Jensen)
Fastest Lap: Sopwith 1

Round 2-Brands Hatch

1st Sopwith 7
2nd Baillie 4
3rd Doug Uren 2
Fastest Lap: Sopwith 1

Round 3-Mallory Park

1st Baillie 7
Other: Sopwith
Fastest Lap: Sopwith 1

Round 4-Brands Hatch

1st Sopwith 7
2nd Baillie 4
3rd D Uren 2
Fastest Lap: Sopwith 1

Round 5-Brands Hatch

1st Sopwith 7
2nd Baillie 4
Fastest Lap: Baillie (Not credited but it wasn't Sopwith according to the Final Standings) 1

Round 6-Crystal Palace

1st Sopwith 7
2nd Baillie 4
3rd D Uren 2
Fastest Lap: Sopwith/Baillie 1

Round 7-Brands Hatch

1st Sopwith 7
2nd Baillie 4
Fastest Lap: Sopwith 1

Round 8-Brands Hatch

1st Sopwith 7
2nd Parker 4
Fastest Lap: Sopwith 1

Round 9-Brands Hatch

1st Sopwith 7
2nd Parker 4
Fastest Lap: Sopwith 1

Class D Standings:

1. Sopwith 48 (8 Wins, 8 Fastest Laps so 64 then drop 2 Wins and 2 Fastest Laps)
2. Baillie 33 (1 Win, 6 2nds, 2 Fastest Laps so 7+24+2)
3. Parker 8
4. D Uren 6
5. Young 2
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Class B (1201cc to 1600cc) Results:

Round 1-Brands Hatch

1st Alan Foster (MG) 7
Fastest Lap: Foster 1

Round 2-Brands Hatch

1st Tommy Bridger (Borgward) 7
2nd Harold Grace (Riley) 4
3rd Foster 2
Fastest Lap: Bridger 1

Round 3-Mallory Park

1st Les Leston (Riley) 7
2nd Bridger 4
3rd H. Brierley (Sunbeam) 2
Other: A.H. Senior (Austin), Grace
Fastest Lap: Bridger 1

Round 4-Brands Hatch

1st Bridger 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd Barney Everley (Hillman) 2
Fastest Lap: Unknown (Not Foster, possibly Bridger) 1

Round 5-Brands Hatch

1st Bridger 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd H.R. Vincent (Wolseley) 2
Fastest Lap: Unknown (Not Foster, possibly Bridger) 1

Round 6-Crystal Palace

1st Foster 7
2nd D. Harris (Borgward) 4
3rd Everley 2
Fastest Lap: Foster/Harris 1

Round 7-Brands Hatch

1st Foster 7
2nd Ray North (Riley) 4
3rd Everley 2
Fastest Lap: Foster (According to the Final Standings) 1

Round 8-Brands Hatch

1st Leston 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd Everley 2
Fastest Lap: Leston 1

Round 9-Brands Hatch

1st Leston 7
2nd Foster 4
3rd Harris 2
Fastest Lap: Leston 1

Class B Standings:

1. Foster 40 (3 Wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd, 3 Fastest Laps so 21+16+4+3=44 then drop the 1 3rd)
2. Bridger 27 (Possibly 29)
3. Leston 23
4. Everley 8
5. Harris 6
6=. Grace, North 4
8=. Brierley, Vincent 2
Just realised it should be 7 points for Harris.
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So, theoretically the full standings for 1958 should be as follows:

1. Jack Sears 48 (60)
2. Tommy Sopwith 48 (64)
3. John Sprinzel 47 (51)
4. George "Doc" Shepherd 41 (45)
5. Alan Foster 40 (44)
6. Jeff Uren 36 (31?)
7. Gawaine Baillie 33(?)
8. Tommy Bridger 27 (29?)
9. Les Leston 23
10. David Haynes 14
11. Fred Marriot 10 (12?)
12. Len Adams 10
13. Graham Hill 8
14. Don Parker 8
15. Barney Everley 8
16. D. Harris 7
17. Doug Uren 6
18. Peter Jopp 4
19. J.E. Wheeler 4
20. Harold Grace 4
21. Ray North 4
22. A. Searles 2 (4?)
23. Ian Walker 2
24. John Young 2
25. P.D. Shanks 2
26. Bob Gerard 2
27. H. Brierley 2
28. H.R. Vincent 2

There's your outcome (Well mine at least)

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I think I've got it all right.
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Thanks for that and well done - a lot of research and deduction there.


Never heard of Doug Uren before. What car did he drive? Presumably related to Jeff Uren.


I'm interested in this period as my dad rallied a Ford Prefect then raced and hillclimbed a mk3 Zephyr with Raymond Mays head and triple SUs. Later he had number 7 off the production line Lotus Cortina which he hillclimbed. I was a teenager in the late 60s just getting interested in racing.
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Thanks for that and well done - a lot of research and deduction there.


Never heard of Doug Uren before. What car did he drive? Presumably related to Jeff Uren.


I'm interested in this period as my dad rallied a Ford Prefect then raced and hillclimbed a mk3 Zephyr with Raymond Mays head and triple SUs. Later he had number 7 off the production line Lotus Cortina which he hillclimbed. I was a teenager in the late 60s just getting interested in racing.
Doug Uren was Jeff's brother and drove a Jaguar 3.4 Litre.
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I'm interested in this period as my dad rallied a Ford Prefect then raced and hillclimbed a mk3 Zephyr with Raymond Mays head and triple SUs.

I'm stupid. It was a Mk 2 Zephyr.
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