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17 Nov 2017, 20:48 (Ref:3781108) | #1 | ||
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Holden Teams ‘Blowing Up’ Over Cost Of ZB Commodore - Speedcafe
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17 Nov 2017, 21:21 (Ref:3781115) | #2 | |
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Roland's got them all by the balls on this one. He knows sponsors don't want to remain in the old outdated models. He also knows $60k is cheaper than swapping to a soon to be outdated Altima or FGX.
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17 Nov 2017, 21:36 (Ref:3781116) | #3 | |
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It's just business.
If they don't like it, there are other sandpits to play in. It's not like manufacturers are bashing on the front door to get into the sport. |
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17 Nov 2017, 22:10 (Ref:3781121) | #4 | ||
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but I can understand why the extra kit cost is a pretty big deal, when some teams who have Nick Percat driving for them will need 2 kits a weekend lol
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With LDM going to the Ford product, there's already two less buying from Roland, maybe he should up the price to recoup his costs. I dont see where the Holden teams have a leg to stand on, update to the newest toy in the sandpit or reinvest into a new marque? 50K sounds cheap when you look at it like that. |
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18 Nov 2017, 00:23 (Ref:3781145) | #6 | |
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$1.3M at $50K is just 26 kits, surely the IP is recovered by half way through the season
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The Holden teams will complain at the cost, and most will still rock up at the Sensational Adelaide 500 with brand new ZB Commodore chassis...
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You think Walkinshaw is hoping Andretti can rattle the Honda chain and perhaps continue running the current clunkers in the meantime?
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Given that Zak Brown has pretty much just have Honda the finger on a global stage I’d say binging them here in that team is slim to none.
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20 Nov 2017, 13:14 (Ref:3781688) | #11 | |
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If Walkinshaw pay for all of the homologation and engine development, Honda Australia would be fools not to give permission.
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As I said somewhere else: There's making profit and then there's ripping people off. The cost for a VF kit is roughly $30,000. So what's the go with the $20K jump in price?
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Holden funded the development of the VF kit but 888 have funded the development of the ZB kit, so they need to recoup that investment, plus Holden were able to source spoiled panels from the production line previously which reduced costs significantly, whereas 888 have to buy brand new parts from Germany where they need original parts.
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On a related note, I read earlier that with Opel having been bought by PSA, they are looking to discontinue the Insignia platform by 2021. This gives the model a short lifespan, and not much time for T8 to recoup design / homologation / production costs.
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Suggestion that Holden may try and force team to use the V6 in 2019. Holden may block V8 to promote V6 in 2019
Wonder if this could be considered a restriction on trade and catch the eye of the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission? |
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And this is new news how?
GRM and Erebus dont own the engines in their cars now Nor do Tekno or Team 18. Or BJR soon. WAU seems to be the only complainant... |
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This appears to remove that option. |
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Currently teams can build their own engines, and if not they they have the choice of a number of suppliers, namely KRE, Noonan and WAU. In the new world, they wold be compelled to source from the designated supplier. Of course in a perfect world, there would be the option of switching brands, but no one is going to switch to an out of production Altima or Falcon.
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Can understand the frustration for Walkinshaw as their engines builder becomes redundant unless they change manufacturer (which I'm sure they're trying to do) , and they lose the lease income from grm and Erebus.
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Be interesting to see whether customers get provided engines to the same spec as T8 or are they maybe a revision behind?
The T8/GM partnership has the potential to be a really good idea, provided it isn't abused |
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Nobody is going to engineer 2 specifications of engine, and with the lease arrangement everybody will have the same, unlike currently where there are people running old stuff by choice...
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Initially no, but over time there will be upgrades and will these be offered to all or will 888 only offer engines a generation behind? There are definitely different versions of suspension, recall Charlie and Tekno running packages a generation or two behind what 888 were using.
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