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Old 18 Nov 2019, 09:36 (Ref:3941344)   #176
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New dumb F1 rumor supposedly from Germany.

Penske and Mazepin are leading suiters to take over Mercedes program when they leave in 2021. Penske told a couple Indy reporters he's not at all interested. Anyone else thinking Mercedes is trying to spread rumors they're leaving to get a bigger cut?

https://racer.com/2019/11/16/penske-...t-speculation/
This was bit was really interesting, it would appear that Mercedes are happy with the ROI of their F1 program.

what’s the impact, and what does it cost for us to invest?
“If you use the Nielsen method to measure the media value of our Formula 1 activities they are north of 1 billion Euros ($1.1B) per year, so an extreme reach and impact from this activity. The costs — which we would not like to disclose publicly — are probably surprisingly low because one must never forget that you both have a cost side and a revenue side in Formula 1. So as we sit here today we’re committed.” Kallenius Mercedes.

As usual, it takes money to make money.
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 07:31 (Ref:3943324)   #177
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Latifi to Williams.

Good move, and good to see another F2 driver making the last rung on the ladder.
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 08:48 (Ref:3943333)   #178
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Latifi to Williams.

Good move, and good to see another F2 driver making the last rung on the ladder.
Bad luck Latifi!
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 09:54 (Ref:3943345)   #179
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No surprise there, it was likely to happen. I wish him well. The grid tends to get filled up quicker every season

Latifi will be the only rookie on the grid at the start of the season, I think the last time that happened was in 2009 with Buemi
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 10:01 (Ref:3943349)   #180
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No surprise there, it was likely to happen. I wish him well. The grid tends to get filled up quicker every season

Latifi will be the only rookie on the grid at the start of the season, I think the last time that happened was in 2009 with Buemi
He has a high class team mate in Russell who may just ruin his career too.
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 12:56 (Ref:3943382)   #181
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I don't follow F2 closely. How good is Latifi ?
Whilst his results in F2 have been good this year - this is his 5th or 6th year at that level and previous years results have been nothing special. Usually drivers that make it to F1 via the F2 route burst onto the scene and absolutely smash it in their 1st or 2nd F2 season.
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 13:02 (Ref:3943385)   #182
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He has plenty of experience then, so won’t be a complete disaster
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 16:22 (Ref:3943418)   #183
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Presume he is bringing plenty of money to Williams i think they need it
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 16:34 (Ref:3943422)   #184
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Presume he is bringing plenty of money to Williams i think they need it
That of course could have been an attraction.....
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 18:15 (Ref:3943444)   #185
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Latifi should be closer to Russell than kubica, but I doubt he’ll regularly beat him.
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 22:16 (Ref:3943487)   #186
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Latifi should be closer to Russell than kubica, but I doubt he’ll regularly beat him.
Looking at his career on Wiki he looks like he has no chance against Russell. Never won a championship, only had 2 pole positions ever, in British F3 in 2013.

Given his level of funding, he looks plain awful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Latifi

Nyck DeVries, the actual F2 champion, would have looked like the best choice in this year's F2 field or am I missing something other than money Nikki?
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Presume he is bringing plenty of money to Williams i think they need it
30 million Euro according to Auto Action.

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Old 29 Nov 2019, 02:06 (Ref:3943528)   #188
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Only the best in the top level of motorsport.... right?.....
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Old 29 Nov 2019, 11:25 (Ref:3943622)   #189
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We have had worse drivers in F1, I say we still have plenty of talent in the series. Just a shame Hulk will be on his way out
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We have had worse drivers in F1, I say we still have plenty of talent in the series. Just a shame Hulk will be on his way out
The depth of talent in F1 currently is not in question here?

The point being made is whether Latifi is good enough...
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Give him time. I expect him to be at least competent
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Give him time. I expect him to be at least competent
Given time - competent.

Is competent what F1 should be aiming for.

I understand the mechanics of funding, and why talent alone will not see the best drivers on the grid. But if a team ever described their driver as 'competent', I would feel cheated.

I've seen this in business a few times too though (unfortunately). Our organisation states the we strive for excellence in everything we do - and then reward contractors for achieving 'satisfactory'!
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I didn’t say he may turn out competent, I said I don’t expect to be anything less than that. He could be better than that, we never know until a driver goes in F1 how well he could do
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I didn’t say he may turn out competent, I said I don’t expect to be anything less than that. He could be better than that, we never know until a driver goes in F1 how well he could do
If guys like latifi or stroll are ever better than mediocre or competent, it would say more about the actual talent level of the f1 grid than their talents. (And it would not be a positive).
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So Eddie Jordan claims that Hamilton will be at Ferrari next year complete with Toto Wolfe. Well Eddie put a few grand down if you are sure !
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So Eddie Jordan claims that Hamilton will be at Ferrari next year complete with Toto Wolfe. Well Eddie put a few grand down if you are sure !
Doesnt Toto own a chunk of Mercedes F1,(Mercedes Benz Grand Prix Ltd) as did Niki Lauda. I know also that Toto has a contract with Merc until end 2020, a date which aligns with the expiration of the current Concorde/Commercial Agreement with FOM.
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So Eddie Jordan claims that Hamilton will be at Ferrari next year complete with Toto Wolfe. Well Eddie put a few grand down if you are sure !

I want some of whatever he is on.

It must be outstanding s..t
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EJ got the scoop of Hamilton going to Merc, so who knows?
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EJ got the scoop of Hamilton going to Merc, so who knows?
He also got the scoop about McLaren changing from Honda to Renault engines but I suppose if you make up enough outlandish predictions about F1, something is bound to come true.
(I still can't see Lewis & Toto wearing red next year though - unless they do a double-Santa act at the Mercedes Christmas party).
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