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Old 14 Feb 2011, 16:29 (Ref:2831102)   #1
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Provision of food or goodies/cost of marshalling - split from BTCC food thread

Sorry to put a downer on things...but how come MSVR can stand us a breakfast and other smaller clubs cangive us a fiver or more but those poor relations of Motorsport,BTCC get us to pay them?
This is one of the reasons I don't do BTCC meetings. The only one worse are F1...Guess what? I don't do them either!

BTW I've never been asked to contribute to a BBQ etc in the US. Most regions of the SCCA would consider it an insult...
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Old 14 Feb 2011, 16:39 (Ref:2831108)   #2
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Stoowert - this isn't TOCA themselves or a huge money-making organisation, it's a relatively small team who happen to be part of the BTCC circus trying to help out the folks who make it possible for them to go racing. Trust me: if they could do it for free, they probably would.

I'll probably get hit now for saying that

Your opinion has been noted - and I happen to agree with it, in part at least.

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Old 14 Feb 2011, 19:54 (Ref:2831208)   #3
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If you're planning on camping at a BTCC round this season, please let me know if you'd be interested (and how much you'd be prepared to pay). It'll save you having to bring a Pot Noodle in the car!
For myself, I'm one of those miserable fussy so-and-sos, so I prefer to sort my own food out. However the whole get everybody, spanners, pedalers, marshals, etc... for an under one roof jolly idea sounds like something I'd enjoy (even if I have to bring my own lubrication*)

What might be more interesting to most is some sort of packed lunch system - useful for those of us who expect to sort food out in the lunch break, only to find that lunch has been curtailed (although in my case, the fussy so-and-so applies again)

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Old 15 Feb 2011, 09:42 (Ref:2831486)   #4
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I camped most weekends I marshalled at Brands last year and cooked myself a proper meal most nights - not a pot noodle in sight! However, if a meal is on offer from anywhere else I'd always be glad to accept it. I recall getting a free meal from Lotus 1000k and we also got a a meal and drink at the Caterham curry night courtesy of BRSCC. I couldn't get there but I believe Caterham invited marshals to their BBQ at Snetterton last year.

It's good that one of the BTCC teams is thinking of us and, on the basis described, I would be prepared to by a small sum. However, I do feel that it would be nice if cash rich organisers would provide meals free!
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Old 15 Feb 2011, 09:52 (Ref:2831490)   #5
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I do have to say...since when have all the organisers been cash rich?

I know some of the clubs manage to provide us with sign on money or a meal voucher etc, but having seen behind the scenes, not all of them have the bottom lines that some of you seem to think they have. How many of you have actually seen the accounts of the clubs you are talking about?

Places like MSVR are able to do it as its likely at their own circuits they aren't going to be paying the face value of a meal, they'll be paying the cost price, if prices are even factored in at all.

Now I think this is a very kind offer, but I do have to say whilst a fiver seems a reasonable amount when your paying for a meal that would actually get you a hell of a lot of food if your buying it at wholesale price etc. If the team are doing this out of genuine kindness then they shouldn't be making a profit out of it and any charge really should just cover the cost of the food.
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Old 15 Feb 2011, 12:31 (Ref:2831585)   #6
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As several people have said: "Every little helps" and a gesture from a small team is only to encouraged. However my original point still stands. The larger the body, the less the thanks. Could it be that the BTCC & F1 are relying on our better nature, that we would turn up for the opening of an envelope if it had a FIA or BTCC logo?
As for not knowing the "Bottom Line" of some organisations: I would venture the the BTCC has a more healthy bottom line compared to the CSCC, who pay us 10 a day, and are very grateful for every marshal that turns up! I only use the CSCC as an example, I'm sure we could all quote others.
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Old 15 Feb 2011, 12:59 (Ref:2831593)   #7
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Curious, isn't it, that the remuneration tends to be in inverse proportion to the profile of the meeting, and I'd personally venture that the on-track experience is too (unless you particularly like the dodgems), yet the number of marshals attracted doesn't reflect that. I can never decide whether it's just me and a few others who get it, or whether we're the weird ones who don't!

However, that's diverting the topic. If some circuits have a problem with someone providing sustenance at low cost to the marshals, there are two obvious choices:

1) Do it yourselves. It's wonderful that someone is making this effort, it hadn't ought to be necessary.
2) Our friendly team could rent us a chair for the evening and provide a free meal as an welcoming gift...
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Old 15 Feb 2011, 17:28 (Ref:2831726)   #8
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Curious, isn't it, that the remuneration tends to be in inverse proportion to the profile of the meeting,
Not really curious, just simple supply & demand. No point in the organisers of the meetings are oversubscribed spending money to attract even more marshals.
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Old 15 Feb 2011, 18:28 (Ref:2831770)   #9
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Not really curious, just simple supply & demand. No point in the organisers of the meetings are oversubscribed spending money to attract even more marshals.
That may be the hard-hearted approach but the more enlightened look beyond the short term. In 2001/2 the number of recorded marshalling days fell to around 22,000 - from a peak of 50,000 per season. Due principally to the Team Wilson/Marshals' Club recruitment campaigns that figure is now up to a much more healthy 40,000.

If the better off of our organisers slip back into the sort of unthinking short-termism we had in the past, we could soon see the marshalling days slip back again.

And anyway, what happened to consideration and respect for motor sport's volunteer marshals?
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Old 15 Feb 2011, 21:30 (Ref:2831866)   #10
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That may be the hard-hearted approach but the more enlightened look beyond the short term. In 2001/2 the number of recorded marshalling days fell to around 22,000 - from a peak of 50,000 per season. Due principally to the Team Wilson/Marshals' Club recruitment campaigns that figure is now up to a much more healthy 40,000.

If the better off of our organisers slip back into the sort of unthinking short-termism we had in the past, we could soon see the marshalling days slip back again.

And anyway, what happened to consideration and respect for motor sport's volunteer marshals?

It looks like were going off topic a bit, but I just want to say, with the price of petrol being what it is, I for one will not be doing as much marshaling this year as I have done in previous years.
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Old 16 Feb 2011, 15:54 (Ref:2832207)   #11
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Folks, pleeeeease - keep this thread to the original question, can you?

If you want to rant about treatment by some organisations, start a new thread about it. This one is in respect of a positive suggestion which will hopefully become a positive offer.

If it's made you feel negative then I apologise.
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Sorry, you are right to complain; this is a generous offer - from one of the smaller players in our sport - and should be treated as such.

I did not consider my piece to negative but there had been several other comments on how easy it is to get consideration and respect from amateur and gentlemen participants but the "professionals" seem not to know we exist. Hence the different level of kind offers like the one you have come across.

For instance, we are trying to have the fiver-a-day for GP marshals re-visited. It has been in being for some fifteen years, while other costs connected with marshalling a GP (petrol for instance) have increased three-fold. Other European countries have recognised this and increased their contribution to expenses accordingly. Why not here? It is the same F1 circus we serve, in one of the most expensive countries in Europe.

Sorry again for invading your space but this difference in appreciation of marshals is still one of the greatest obstacles we face when trying to get some improvement on marshalling issues. The Marshals' Club has fought so hard, on a very small budget, to improve the number of marshals available to the sport, it would be a real shame if this fell away again if we do not at least keep pace with what is happening elsewhere.

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As several people have said: "Every little helps" and a gesture from a small team is only to encouraged. However my original point still stands. The larger the body, the less the thanks. Could it be that the BTCC & F1 are relying on our better nature, that we would turn up for the opening of an envelope if it had a FIA or BTCC logo?
As for not knowing the "Bottom Line" of some organisations: I would venture the the BTCC has a more healthy bottom line compared to the CSCC, who pay us 10 a day, and are very grateful for every marshal that turns up! I only use the CSCC as an example, I'm sure we could all quote others.
Good call with CSCC not only did they pay 10 but for the late finish event at Donington they put on a hog roast for the marshals.

Then turned up at training at Donington and presented a Cheque to help with tarining events.
Now thats club that respect and value marshals.

Take note other clubs.
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Right ho, I've split some of the posts from http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...=126872&page=3, some were a mix of on topic and off so I've done what I think is best. If anyone is particularly unhappy with their post being moved/not moved then yell.
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Good call with CSCC not only did they pay 10 but for the late finish event at Donington they put on a hog roast for the marshals.

Then turned up at training at Donington and presented a Cheque to help with tarining events.
Now thats club that respect and value marshals.

Take note other clubs.
CSCC also made a generous donation for the Marshals Training at Snetterton in January too - which was really appreciated.

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