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Old 19 Feb 2020, 18:08 (Ref:3958547)   #101
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https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/06/13...neration-cars/

Assuming Supercars want to remain a V8 muscle car series, it is a no brainer to align the with BNT V8 regulations.

The cost of the BNT V8 car is so much reasonable than the car of the future!
Turnkey @ 230k is baffling - how is a current Supercar so much more expensive?
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 19:44 (Ref:3958572)   #102
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Turnkey @ 230k is baffling - how is a current Supercar so much more expensive?
Be a range of factors in that no doubt - including engines (BNT cars all use the same LS3 engine) and the cost of developing the cars from each manufacturer and the testing process, all of which needs to be defrayed across the cars each team has by way of parts pricing etc.

Given that TA2 cars with a spares package are less than $150K AUD the BNT cars look expensive - as usual, devil in the detail I would think.
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 21:30 (Ref:3958593)   #103
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Turnkey @ 230k is baffling - how is a current Supercar so much more expensive?
The engine alone is $120k cheaper.

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Given that TA2 cars with a spares package are less than $150K AUD the BNT cars look expensive - as usual, devil in the detail I would think.
Think scale, what is the cost of developing all the bespoke parts for a very small market?
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 21:47 (Ref:3958596)   #104
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Are the BNT or TA2 as safe as a Supercar?

Whilst costs must reduce, driver safety can not
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 22:35 (Ref:3958613)   #105
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Think scale, what is the cost of developing all the bespoke parts for a very small market?
Agree completely, plus the costs of developing the car & bodywork for each new model, VCAT testing, all that.
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Old 20 Feb 2020, 00:57 (Ref:3958628)   #106
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Supercars has detested and bagged overseas formula’s, both past and present, for over two decades. I doubt they would lower themselves to align regs with a NZ Championship that has just lost its national championship status

One gets the feeling they’d rather go out of business than align with someone else’s set of regulations. They’ve always said they know what the fans want...
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Old 20 Feb 2020, 03:58 (Ref:3958644)   #107
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They might know what the fans want, but can they deliver it?
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Old 23 Feb 2020, 08:17 (Ref:3959346)   #108
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So what car do we see Chaz steering next year....? BMW I’m hoping.


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Old 23 Feb 2020, 09:03 (Ref:3959347)   #109
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So what car do we see Chaz steering next year....? BMW I’m hoping.
It could certainly look the business...




Would the BMW be the upper or the lower variant?

I think it would be good to replace the goofy looking Mustang with one with the correct proportions, if possible. But that would mean lots of expense. What a mess. So much confusion around whether Supercars is a 2-door category or a 4-door category.

The following 4 series shape might split the difference while still fitting over the control chassis:


One wonders why Ford allowed their sleek Mustang (which is a very similar shape to the BMW 8 series) to be distorted so much. It seems unlikely BMW would allow the shape of the 8 series to be disfigured in the same way.

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Old 23 Feb 2020, 09:07 (Ref:3959349)   #110
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The lack of certainty in the rules is very confusing though.

I think it would be good to replace the goofy looking Mustang with one with the correct proportions, if possible. But that would mean lots of expense. What a mess.
Would also be very expensive to develop a BMW or Camaro for Gen2 Supercar for one year
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Old 24 Feb 2020, 22:24 (Ref:3959651)   #111
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This artist's impression of Gen 3 made me laugh out loud...


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Old 24 Feb 2020, 23:38 (Ref:3959670)   #112
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This artist's impression of Gen 3 made me laugh out loud...


https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...ens-exit-78133

I reckon if done properly it would be more popular than either GT3 or TCR.
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Old 25 Feb 2020, 06:49 (Ref:3959701)   #113
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Old 25 Feb 2020, 07:07 (Ref:3959703)   #114
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Ever meet someone thats doing a job that they're actually clueless at?
Far too common these days...
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Old 25 Feb 2020, 07:17 (Ref:3959705)   #115
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“Could it be a ute? Could it be a van? A lot of people like to kick around ideas" - Scott Seamer.

Ever meet someone thats doing a job that they're actually clueless at?
Yes, a few times, and I think they would closely identify with this guy.
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Old 25 Feb 2020, 20:07 (Ref:3959867)   #116
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“Could it be a ute? Could it be a van? A lot of people like to kick around ideas" - Scott Seamer.

Ever meet someone thats doing a job that they're actually clueless at?
maybe he's referring to all these internet experts who think they could do a better job of running Supercars and reality have no idea of the reality of running a big business

how do you get any clue about how good a job he does by a few comments in interviews?
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Old 25 Feb 2020, 23:08 (Ref:3959912)   #117
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how do you get any clue about how good a job he does by a few comments in interviews?
Sean "closest it's ever been" Seamer maybe needs a little coaching when it comes to public comments - doesn't mean he's doing a bad job, just makes it look like it lol
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Old 26 Feb 2020, 00:07 (Ref:3959916)   #118
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Sean "closest it's ever been" Seamer maybe needs a little coaching when it comes to public comments - doesn't mean he's doing a bad job, just makes it look like it lol
"The Trans Am series needs to get their IP in order" is another example of his engage mouth before brain public statements.
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Old 26 Feb 2020, 00:48 (Ref:3959918)   #119
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I have thought for a while now that they should consider a chassis with a bolt on upper roll cage similar to DTM. This would allow them to change the shape of the top section to suit different body shapes but after watching footage of officials extricating Ryan Newman from his Daytona crash it might also allow them to remove the top section of chassis/roll cage to aid access to the injured driver.
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Old 26 Feb 2020, 00:55 (Ref:3959920)   #120
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The only place Gen 3 is actually ever going to exist is in Seamer’s brain.No other manufacturers will want to play in such a small market with a formula based on outdated technology that has no applicability to their road cars.
By 2022 Supercars will be gone to lie down next to TOCA and Procar.
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Old 26 Feb 2020, 01:18 (Ref:3959921)   #121
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I have thought for a while now that they should consider a chassis with a bolt on upper roll cage similar to DTM. ... it might also allow them to remove the top section of chassis/roll cage to aid access to the injured driver.
In a big shunt with lots of deformed structure, what was easily detachable is likely to be much less so. Much easier just to pack the battery angle grinder.
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I'm still lost trying to figure out why they seem so persistent on a racing model that relies on manufacturer backing.
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"The Trans Am series needs to get their IP in order" is another example of his engage mouth before brain public statements.
What happens to your racing series if Ford sues you to stop using the Mustang shape and likeness? Then the other two follow suit - and you can't fight it...

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I'm still lost trying to figure out why they seem so persistent on a racing model that relies on manufacturer backing.
The ZB Commodore had no manufacturer backing. Holden gave their blessing and permission to RBHRT to develop and on-sell the car to others, and they did so at their own cost. No reason this couldn't happen with another car. The model is proven.
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Didn't the Kia boss say he'd support a racing Stinger. If someone else funded the development and homologation.





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Didn't the Kia boss say he'd support a racing Stinger. If someone else funded the development and homologation.





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Which pretty much negates the point of chasing a new marque into the series, unless you’ve got a benefactor with a preference for a certain badge (ie.... Erebus and Mercedes)
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