Ross Brawn to leave Mercedes - Page 3

wnut · 31 Oct 2013, 22:52 (Ref:3325669)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

There's various challenges outside of F1. Space travel being the most audacious.

Brawn has lived through an era where they've curbed innovation too. F1 isn't the challenge it once was for a designer.

Good point, though I think he would be a bit limited as a spacecraft designer, in spite of his experience at the cutting edge

of race car design.

Paradise City · 31 Oct 2013, 23:12 (Ref:3325683)

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Originally Posted by b1ackcr0w

Maybe he'll run for FIA President? In fact, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. He'd be the ultimate poacher turned gamekeeper.

According to the Express it might very well be with the FIA but in a position that's far less royal than that of El Presidente.

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ROSS BRAWN may leave Mercedes to become a technical guru for the FIA next season

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-au...-from-Mercedes

Paradise City · 31 Oct 2013, 23:14 (Ref:3325686)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Good point, though I think he would be a bit limited as a spacecraft designer, in spite of his experience at the cutting edge

of race car design.

I could see him as a Werner von Brawn.

wnut · 31 Oct 2013, 23:18 (Ref:3325688)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

According to the Express it might very well be with the FIA but in a position that's far less royal than that of El Presidente.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-au...-from-Mercedes

Seems a bit of a come down, being a policeman, after you had responsibility for creating the beasts!

Still maybe it would be a less stressed but still very interesting "retirement" hobby!

Mercedes to be run by a committee - oh dear!

When did Lewis get the gangsta tatt?

Paradise City · 31 Oct 2013, 23:24 (Ref:3325695)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Seems a bit of a come down, being a policeman, after you had responsibility for creating the beasts!

Still maybe it would be a less stressed but still very interesting "retirement" hobby!

Mercedes to be run by a committee - oh dear!

When did Lewis get the gangsta tatt?

I don't know what the position of technical guru entails exactly, it could concievably fall under a number of roles. Presumably the benefits is that it's a part-time gig and he gets to be a member of Team Todt again.

wolfhound · 31 Oct 2013, 23:35 (Ref:3325700)

Since nobody really knows what Ross Brawn is going to do next year, the possibles as I see it are going to Williams, retire, take a year out.
I can't see him moving to Woking but stranger things have happened.

However he could be very useful to Porsche, as he would bring current top level racing knowledge, is a good technical manager and has previous experience of top level prototypes.

But then Porsche tend to use their own people.

**GTRMagic** · 1 Nov 2013, 07:51 (Ref:3325805)

One person doesnt care that Mr Brawn is leaving Mercedes...

"Mercedes can find better boss than Brawn" - Lewis Hamilton

Mr Brawn could probably find a better race driver too, like that bloke that won a bunch of world titles instead of backing into just one...

wnut · 1 Nov 2013, 09:06 (Ref:3325831)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

One person doesnt care that Mr Brawn is leaving Mercedes...

"Mercedes can find better boss than Brawn" - Lewis Hamilton

Mr Brawn could probably find a better race driver too, like that bloke that won a bunch of world titles instead of backing into just one...

Would seem that Ross is indeed out of Mercedes!

Otherwise it would seem unlikely that Lewis would be prepared to win friends and influence people to this degree!

Ross probably wasn't a great fan of Rosco turning up at the circuit.

andrewc · 1 Nov 2013, 09:17 (Ref:3325835)

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Originally Posted by wnut

When did Lewis get the gangsta tatt?

Earrings
Silly beard
Tattoo

Gold teeth next?

chillibowl · 1 Nov 2013, 13:39 (Ref:3325915)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

One person doesnt care that Mr Brawn is leaving Mercedes...

"Mercedes can find better boss than Brawn" - Lewis Hamilton

Mr Brawn could probably find a better race driver too, like that bloke that won a bunch of world titles instead of backing into just one...

in fairness the only quote in that headline is the word 'better' and the actual quote that that word is taken from was:

"There is going to be someone out there who can do the same or better and they just haven't had the chance," added Hamilton.

ridiculously sensationalized headline imo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wnut

When did Lewis get the gangsta tatt?

looks like the Virgin Mary to me. it might be a criminal expression of faith but hardly a symbol of criminality.

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Originally Posted by andrewc

Earrings
Silly beard
Tattoo

Gold teeth next?

why gold teeth? more likely he will become an underwear model, marry a spice girl, and have tea with the queen no?

dont get me wrong i like jokes as much as the next person but unless you put some smiles in there how am i supposed to know its a joke ?

Paradise City · 1 Nov 2013, 15:30 (Ref:3325951)

The media are running with this exaggerated idea that Brawn was essential to Hamilton's arrival and they are now trying to destabilise the Hamilton Mercedes relationship by bating Hamilton over Brawn in order to prolong the story. Hamilton is trying to counter that. He is being very crude about it of course but that's what's happening.

**GTRMagic** · 1 Nov 2013, 22:45 (Ref:3326104)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

The media are running with this exaggerated idea that Brawn was essential to Hamilton's arrival and they are now trying to destabilise the Hamilton Mercedes relationship by bating Hamilton over Brawn in order to prolong the story. Hamilton is trying to counter that. He is being very crude about it of course but that's what's happening.

Does this have the fingerprints of the McLaren media machine? Off the record of course

Paradise City · 1 Nov 2013, 23:07 (Ref:3326113)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Does this have the fingerprints of the McLaren media machine? Off the record of course

It's not necessary really. It's par for the course for the media to attempt to extend the life of any given sensation so that they can pack out column inches.

**chunterer** · 6 Nov 2013, 15:20 (Ref:3328035)

With regards to Ross possibly joining Williams, Sir Frank's comments about not wanting to upset people he employs that is already a team leader, or are team leaders in order to accommodate him was interesting!

Was he referring to Claire or Pat Symonds?

Paradise City · 6 Nov 2013, 17:24 (Ref:3328097)

I'm sure Brawn doesn't have the slightest interest in joining Williams. It would be a ridiculous move. Symonds is the big-wig there anyway.

Moneyseeker · 6 Nov 2013, 17:37 (Ref:3328105)

PS and RB have different skills though and worked together in the past.

I don't think SFW can worry too much about who upsets internally, this is almost the last role of the dice for them and it's fair to say that the team has underperformed relative to resources and experience.

The fact that they are changing engines yet again next year only adds to the complete lack of continuity. I'm sure Ross can give them a few pointers on how installation will work best on the new Mercedes engine, should he go there...

BSchneiderFan · 6 Nov 2013, 18:32 (Ref:3328134)

So what roles would you foresee for Brawn and Symonds? And would they work under Claire?

Marbot · 6 Nov 2013, 18:45 (Ref:3328145)

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Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

I'm sure Ross can give them a few pointers on how installation will work best on the new Mercedes engine, should he go there...

Not sure if Williams have gone for the whole Mercedes Engine/ERS deal? If they haven't, then there's not a lot that RB can actually tell them, as the engine installation itself is pretty much spec, even down to the mounting points and minimum crank height above the reference plane. Which is a good thing, because it means that for reasons that may be beyond your control (your current engine manufacturer leaves F1 - Honda, late 2008), you can call on another engine manufacturer to fill the void without it being a bit of a last minute lash-up.

TBH, I think that RB would be more suited to a team that already has a better pedigree of having won more than just the one race in what seems like, forever.

wolfhound · 7 Nov 2013, 09:00 (Ref:3328366)

If Brawn was to go to Williams I could see him as deputy/assistant team principal over the engineering side with Claire Williams on the commercial marketing side.

Do Williams have a design chief at the moment as that appears to be an area they might be weak but it all depends on who is doing what job as every team has different structures.

The trick is to get everybody working together in a common direction and that the guys working on a front wing are talking to those who are working with the middle and rear of the car.

Chazmando · 27 Nov 2013, 18:06 (Ref:3337464)

Brawn leaving Mercedes is/was, unfortunately, inevitable. The dream team doesn't usually work, and Mercedes is no exception. Toto Wolff, Paddy Lowe, Bob Bell, Aldo Costa and Geoff Willis working under Ross was not going to be harmonious. Like Hamilton + Alonso '07... only not like that at all.

My guess is he'll go to Honda.

JeremySmith · 27 Nov 2013, 18:50 (Ref:3337475)

I think Ross Brawn is Ferrari bound myself...

F1Pete · 28 Nov 2013, 01:25 (Ref:3337601)

Sounds like he will take a year off first....

**bjohnsonsmith** · 28 Nov 2013, 02:17 (Ref:3337611)

Accirding to the last paragraph of this Autosport article, it's up in the air as to what he does next.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111641

"It is not clear what Brawn's long term plans are, nor whether he will retire from F1 completely or return with another team."

**chunterer** · 28 Nov 2013, 02:43 (Ref:3337618)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

Sounds like he will take a year off first....

I think so too, although might Di Montezemelo sanction a new UK based operations arm run by Ross?

321Go · 28 Nov 2013, 09:07 (Ref:3337679)

Confirmed. Ross Brawn leaves Mercedes.

Official announcement now up:
http://www.mercedes-amg-f1.com/en/#/...or-2014-season

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