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Old 9 Jan 2018, 08:45 (Ref:3791506)   #181
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Add a bit underwhelming driver lineup to the mix, and it could be their worst season for years.
I think this is interesting - who are the next drivers up in the Red Bull scheme? I don't think Gasly or Hartley will be promoted to the senior team: Gasly isn't good enough. Hartley is too old and got the drive because presumably the conveyor belt of Red Bull drivers was empty, Hartley was available and they had his phone number.

I assume that's why Red Bull have kept hold of Sainz - if Ricciardo leaves the senior team neither of the current STR drivers looks up to the job of driving in the senior team and pushing Max.
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 13:34 (Ref:3791545)   #182
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I think they did well. Kyvat had blown his chance, while Gasly deserves a chance and Hartley will hopefully be a good benchmark for him
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 15:03 (Ref:3791561)   #183
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I think they did well. Kyvat had blown his chance, while Gasly deserves a chance and Hartley will hopefully be a good benchmark for him
Kvyat had certainly blown it - but the other two are questionable:

There did seem some reluctance to put Gasly in (he'd been tested before - if he was "the next Max" then he'd have started the season in the car rather than Kvyat).

Hartley was brought back from the dead - they'd looked at him in the past and decided he wasn't up to it. Presumably once they'd dropped Gasly into one seat they then didn't have anyone on the conveyor belt with the credentials to put in the other seat. So out comes the list of 'rejects' and hey presto Hartley is in the car (presumably Buemi was another option). I'm not saying Hartley is a bad driver - he just looks to be a stop gap solution.
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 15:06 (Ref:3791562)   #184
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I think Gaslyís problem was the same with most young drivers, not enough seats in F1
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 15:19 (Ref:3791565)   #185
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I think Gaslyís problem was the same with most young drivers, not enough seats in F1
Yes, most likely.

If there was 30 odd seats available he would have come straight in at the start of the season somewhere.

Young drivers hardly get the chance unless the big teams/schemes put them in somewhere these days. 25 years ago there were more seats available for a driver to come in and get noticed.

You can't do that without serious sponsorship.

People have been going on about Bob the Pole not getting a Williams with 9-10 million compared to Sirotkin's alleged 18 mill.

Hang on but this ain't new. Remember when Kobayashi dropped out of F1 4 years ago because his rumoured 11 mill wasn't enough to buy a drive?!!
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 16:25 (Ref:3791582)   #186
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Stroll and Hartley were team mates at the 2016 Daytona 24 hours.
How did their times compare against one another?
i have no idea, always struggle to find a source that post laptimes but also the name of the current driver, usually they just go by the team. how were their laptimes then?
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 17:35 (Ref:3791594)   #187
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Gasly is good but not game-changing. Hartley, given a second chance (rare in F1), might surprise.
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 23:58 (Ref:3791640)   #188
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i have no idea, always struggle to find a source that post laptimes but also the name of the current driver, usually they just go by the team. how were their laptimes then?
That is the frustration that I have found too, no individual driver's times.
One of the reasons I don't follow WEC.

This weekend at Daytona

Lance Stroll
Daniel Juncadella
Robin Frijns
Felix Rosenqvist

are all in one car. WE have never had a better chance to compare them.

WEC needs to take an average of the qualifying times of all the drivers in a car to get a grid slot.
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Old 10 Jan 2018, 01:27 (Ref:3791651)   #189
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i have no idea, always struggle to find a source that post laptimes but also the name of the current driver, usually they just go by the team. how were their laptimes then?
I canít view it on my iPad to make sure itís what you want, but look at the race CSV file here...

http://www.imsatiming.com/results/20...a%2024%20Hour/

I think it has lap and sector timing data for each car including who is in the car. Match that to weather data, etc and you can do some good data analysis.

I will say I found this article (a bit off topic regarding TR/Honda) which to me negatively impacts my opinion of Stroll.

https://www.motorsport.com/imsa/news...norris-973722/

Basically it sound like he treated his Daytona 24 ride as a fun day with the boys. Even if so, it seems a disservice to the team and his codrivers. If you participate... you race to win. I wonder if the data analysis shows him not as quick as his codrivers? To be honest, given Hartleys proto experience, he should be faster than Stroll. However... the Daytona cars are somewhat dinosaurs compared to what Hartley would be used to. So it might be a wash.

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Old 10 Jan 2018, 01:35 (Ref:3791652)   #190
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That is the frustration that I have found too, no individual driver's times.
One of the reasons I don't follow WEC.

This weekend at Daytona

Lance Stroll
Daniel Juncadella
Robin Frijns
Felix Rosenqvist

are all in one car. WE have never had a better chance to compare them.

WEC needs to take an average of the qualifying times of all the drivers in a car to get a grid slot.
Might find 2018 data here...

http://results.imsa.com/

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Old 10 Jan 2018, 06:18 (Ref:3791668)   #191
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Looking at the above

Quali was Wurz with 2:08.639 (Wet?)

13 fastest laps Hartley with fastest on lap 716 at 1:40.1
14 th fastest lap Stroll on lap 670 at 1:40.6
17 th fastest lap Stroll on lap 665 at 1:40.6 (don't know how they were split)

71 st fastest lap Priaux on lap 539 at 1:41.1
84 th fastest lap Wurz on lap 574 at 1:41.2

In summary it looks like they were all driving to a delta of about 1:41 with traffic hampering from time to time. Last two stints where Hartley and Stroll seem to have been given a lower delta.
Timing does not seem to provide much info, on balance Hartley generally ran the fastest laps and Stroll was clearly not embarrassed in this company.
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That is the frustration that I have found too, no individual driver's times.
One of the reasons I don't follow WEC.

This weekend at Daytona

Lance Stroll
Daniel Juncadella
Robin Frijns
Felix Rosenqvist

are all in one car. WE have never had a better chance to compare them.

WEC needs to take an average of the qualifying times of all the drivers in a car to get a grid slot.
Well, IMSA and WEC are two completely separate things. IMSA doesn't take average qualifying times, so Daytona won't.

Not necessarily a good weekend to compare drivers either. For the Euro teams, half the test is for understanding the Continental tyres. So they'll have been running different setups throughout.

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Back to Toro Rosso HONDA, I've been pondering about the engine situation. Honda have already said that they may start the season with (what is basically) last years engine (OK, Power Unit) meaning that it must be fairly interchangeable with the 'newer' one.
I'm just wondering if, for comparison purposes they will rune one (reliable) specification in one car, and the supposedly more powerful (but less reliable) in the other car? That way, Toro Rosso can gain some chassis mileage whilst Honda can expose the latest engine to the stresses of racing?
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Old 10 Jan 2018, 10:20 (Ref:3791697)   #194
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Well the Honda engine was admittedly was getting more reliable towards the end of last season, so maybe they are using it while they make sure the new one is reliable enough
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Well Brendon Hartley will now be a tenth slower than he used to be. Next step is a kid, and then he'll be two tenths slower.

Hamilton, Alonso, Verstappen and Ricciardo still off that list - thankfully.
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