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Old 11 Dec 2017, 14:17 (Ref:3786312)   #91
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So a report from MP about an AMERICAN series should include a Euro perspective because????
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Not to mention that DP 1-3 and what IMSA had from '14-to a degree '16 was as far away from the spirit of LMP900/675, LMP1/LMP2 in their prime, and IMSA GTP as you could've gotten. Just as bad as LMP1 in the WEC right now, if not worse.
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Old 13 Dec 2017, 08:34 (Ref:3786776)   #93
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Pruett is responsible for the vast majority of the sports car content on Racer.com. He was also one of the most vocal opponents of the DP generations 1-3, and the DP 3.5/P2 mix that IMSA had from 2014-2016. So he doesn't simply trumpet what is going on over here.

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There's plenty of articles on dpi and it's future that are geared towards they are the answer to the lmp1 ideas going forward. SC365 does this often as well. If you have read racer.com's pieces that is pretty clear. I didn't say they were biased. I said they lean towards the American view on things more often. Obviously being American based is a reason for that. Indycar is the biggest thing on that site as well.

The thing I'm saying is that I don't know what dpi will do for the future and if manufacturers looking to enter both the wec and imsa will sway that decision. The wec lmp1's are looking like a gt prototype for the new rules. Will they be able to run them in imsa too? And vice versa run imsa cars at Le Mans? I don't see how these guys will win anyone more than they have over if they can't do both.
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Old 13 Dec 2017, 13:44 (Ref:3786826)   #94
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This may be about IMSA, but if IMSA and the ACO are trying to edge to having similar rules between LMP1 and DPI, they have to find common ground somewhere like they have with their top GT classes being based around 95+% the same regs.

IMO, GT Prototype is ACO speak for DPI, that's possible to me. I doubt that we'll be getting car makers to build hyper cars that are supposed to be in theory road legal just to race in the top class. Personally, I think that prototypes should look like prototypes, not necessarily something street legal.

Besides, as I've pointed out a few times, the old Audi R8 and R10 had about as many road car related styling cues as the DPI cars have, which was mostly headlight and taillight lenses. The '03 Bentley GTP had very vague design similarities to the then new Continental GT.

Prototypes should be race cars, and in truth that's largely the way it's been since the 1960s. Even if Ford GT40s and Porsche 962s have been converted to being road legal. If someone's so inclined to jump through hoops they could possibly make a modern LMP road legal somewhere in the world I'm betting, too.

That all being said, even if the ACO are wanting to get back to the late '90s GT1/'99 GTP, that's very close to the spirit of current DPI, especially the latter. The Audi R8C had TT styling cues (as did the R8R, and to a lesser degree, R8 and R10), the Mercedes-Benz CLR had C-class styling cues, and the Toyota GT-One foreshadowed the last generation Celica.
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But that'll only last until Honda decides a wing counts a styling cue again.
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This may be about IMSA, but if IMSA and the ACO are trying to edge to having similar rules between LMP1 and DPI, they have to find common ground somewhere like they have with their top GT classes being based around 95+% the same regs.

IMO, GT Prototype is ACO speak for DPI, that's possible to me. I doubt that we'll be getting car makers to build hyper cars that are supposed to be in theory road legal just to race in the top class. Personally, I think that prototypes should look like prototypes, not necessarily something street legal.

Besides, as I've pointed out a few times, the old Audi R8 and R10 had about as many road car related styling cues as the DPI cars have, which was mostly headlight and taillight lenses. The '03 Bentley GTP had very vague design similarities to the then new Continental GT.

Prototypes should be race cars, and in truth that's largely the way it's been since the 1960s. Even if Ford GT40s and Porsche 962s have been converted to being road legal. If someone's so inclined to jump through hoops they could possibly make a modern LMP road legal somewhere in the world I'm betting, too.

That all being said, even if the ACO are wanting to get back to the late '90s GT1/'99 GTP, that's very close to the spirit of current DPI, especially the latter. The Audi R8C had TT styling cues (as did the R8R, and to a lesser degree, R8 and R10), the Mercedes-Benz CLR had C-class styling cues, and the Toyota GT-One foreshadowed the last generation Celica.
I understand that the ACO is not demanding hypercar street legal, they want prototypes in the form of hypercar.
Of course a street legal hypercar could race here.
Personally I am in favor of this idea, the current prototypes have very ugly form.
Removing the shark nose and enlarging the cabin would improve the appearance and they continue to be prototypes.
The GT1/GTP of the end of 90' and the Porsche 962 and Ford GT had hypercar form and therefore they looked very good.
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Removing the shark nose and enlarging the cabin would improve the appearance
Don't take that as a guarantee. The original DP rules were crafted with the expectation that they would bring about cars reminiscent of the Ford GT40 - obviously, that failed. If not done right, we could easily end up with Gen1-2 Daytona Prototypes again rather than vehicles reminiscent of late 90s GT1.
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Don't take that as a guarantee. The original DP rules were crafted with the expectation that they would bring about cars reminiscent of the Ford GT40 - obviously, that failed. If not done right, we could easily end up with Gen1-2 Daytona Prototypes again rather than vehicles reminiscent of late 90s GT1.
Indeed, it's much easier to say things about the rules you're making than actually make them do the thing you want them to do.
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Indeed, it's much easier to say things about the rules you're making than actually make them do the thing you want them to do.
I do hope they succeed this time. I'd like to see the generic LMPs that look sort of like the Glickenhaus SCG003, with the manufacturer-branded cars being built off of a similar tub design. I think that'd be a great way for the next-gen prototype classes to look.
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I just can't see how they can make it work for more than a year or two without BoPing the class.
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The latest on the future of the Belle Isle race from the Detroit Metro Times: “Why environmentalist are calling for a study of Belle Isle Grand Prix.” The first two paragraphs:

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Like all large parks, Belle Isle is a place for many things, and different bits of programming and infrastructure express competing visions for what the park is and what it should be. The ongoing debate over the presence of the Detroit Belle Isle Grand Prix auto race on the island is a prime example of such conflicts, pitting racing enthusiasts against those who believe a park should provide a reprieve from the noisy world of the city.

For hundreds of thousands of migrating and nesting birds, the island park is something more vital still — a lynchpin in their struggle for survival. The island sanctuary is an important habitat in the midst of miles of concrete and attracts a number of birds, including shorebirds, waterfowl, owls, woodpeckers and songbirds. These birds either visit during their migrations — the Detroit River is situated at the confluence of the Mississippi and the Atlantic flyways — or raise their young here during the summer, taking advantage of the island's varied ecologies.
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I wonder if the end of the year Sebring endure will attract teams? Maybe because of the inclusion of Michelin tires for the 2019 season? There will be competition now from the Laguna 8 (SRO/ICGT) and COTA 24 (Creventic) for entries. I think the classes eligible are GTD, LMP3, GS, and TCR?

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Lexus looking to jump into DPi with Andretti?

What's next? Ganassi with Ford?

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I feel a lot - if not all - depends on the new 'possible global prototype' regs. We'll see.
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