[VASC18R28R29] ITM Auckland SuperSprint Pukekohe 2-4 Nov

[Mixer]

I dunno what DJRTP are whining about, the wiggle room is hard coded into the rule.

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[JAFA851]

Originally Posted by Mixer

I dunno what DJRTP are whining about, the wiggle room is hard coded into the rule.

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Exactly, and it's been ruled as such several times perviously.

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by JAFA851

Exactly, and it's been ruled as such several times perviously.

Then don't write the regulations with a clarity clause that is blatantly ignored, write them to state the full rotation aspect.

Anyway SM responds in the best way possible today.

[Razor]

Scotty Mac gets the JR Trophy!!! Couldn't go to a more deserving young lad.

[mayhem]

Where did he park in parc ferme?

[JAFA851]

Way over, left more room than normal. But Shane was was well out of the car anyway because Scotty had been doing burnouts and climbing the fence ala Castroneves. So moot point.

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Where did he park in parc ferme?

Respectfully.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

Respectfully.

If anybody actually looked at the photos of all angles from the end of the race yesterday, both cars drove directly to the position cards someone had put there, but there is like half a car width between Scotty Mac's car and Chaz' car, and not much room on the other side of SVG's car.

[GTRMagic]

While #1 forgot to go to the Parc Ferme presentation area and got fined for the indiscretion

[Armco Bender]

That was a good days racing,most enjoyable.
F5000's were the cream on the cake.

[Razor]

Great to see Jase's parents David and Pauline at the round supporting the legacy of their son.

[Phillip Ireland]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

That was a good days racing,most enjoyable.
F5000's were the cream on the cake.

Rather unfortunate their Sunday 15-lapper was amended to run about 5 minutes as a result of the Porsche crash, when the Toyota 86s ran for 15 mins. But hey, they didn't waste the opportunity to get out and blow everyone's minds. Great stuff.

[mayhem]

Stanaway Saturday:

“There’s also no parity either,” he continued.
“Guys are pulling four, five car lengths on the straights, so you can’t really race when it doesn’t even feel you’re in the same category.

Stanaway Sunday:

"Stoked to have made it into my first ever top 10 shootout today!"

Parity takes 24 hours apparently...

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

F5000's were the cream on the cake.

Ken Smith continues to amaze come rain or shine.

[Average Punter]

Skaifey caused most of the aggro because his quote of the rules was out of context. The clause he read out was this...

11.8.8.1 Where the S&TD grants such approval, the wheels must stop rotating prior to the Car being lowered to the ground. For the sake of clarity, the wheels must not be
rotating while the Car is being lowered to the ground.

The bit about the "clarity" relates to a single specific situation in which the S&TD has allowed a car's wheels to spin due to some technical malfunction. In that single specific situation, the wheels must stop spinning before being lowered.

In all other situations, full rotation rule applies.
The wheel didn't complete a full rotation so no penalty.
Box on...

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Average Punter

Skaifey caused most of the aggro because his quote of the rules was out of context. The clause he read out was this...

11.8.8.1 Where the S&TD grants such approval, the wheels must stop rotating prior to the Car being lowered to the ground. For the sake of clarity, the wheels must not be
rotating while the Car is being lowered to the ground.

The bit about the "clarity" relates to a single specific situation in which the S&TD has allowed a car's wheels to spin due to some technical malfunction. In that single specific situation, the wheels must stop spinning before being lowered.

In all other situations, full rotation rule applies.
The wheel didn't complete a full rotation so no penalty.
Box on...

It created eyeballs on screens..

[chavez]

Somewhat buried under the Rotation-gate controversy was Schenken's warning to the marshals trying to recover Coulthards cars during the Saturday race, to seek shelter behind their rescue vehicles because drivers were not slowing down under Safety Car conditions.

Crompton picked this up in the commentary and while that is no guarantee anything will change at least it is starting to get a little bit of airtime.

What is the point of the safety car if drivers do not slow down sufficiently to reduce the hazard of people on the circuit to an acceptable level of risk?

And what is stopping the introduction of a minimum lap time under Safety Car conditions (as per Formula One) to reduce this risk to an acceptable level?

[M91]

Originally Posted by chavez

Somewhat buried under the Rotation-gate controversy was Schenken's warning to the marshals trying to recover Coulthards cars during the Saturday race, to seek shelter behind their rescue vehicles because drivers were not slowing down under Safety Car conditions.

Crompton picked this up in the commentary and while that is no guarantee anything will change at least it is starting to get a little bit of airtime.

What is the point of the safety car if drivers do not slow down sufficiently to reduce the hazard of people on the circuit to an acceptable level of risk?

And what is stopping the introduction of a minimum lap time under Safety Car conditions (as per Formula One) to reduce this risk to an acceptable level?

Noticed that as well. I think a minimum sector time needs to be enforced like F1 has under double-yellow conditions. The speed that the drivers were doing past the accident was moronic.

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Where did he park in parc ferme?

Where he wants to, he doesn't suffer from LDS.
(Van grubergun, My D's bigger than yours)
had respect for him once, even met him at an open day.
Sad he has lowered his standards

[Mixer]

Both Scott and Shane parked right on the cards that were placed there, should we really be complaining to the idiot that put the centre one in the wrong place? Look at the photos. You could park a truck there Chaz's car is.

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[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

The rule is that the wheel can't do more than a FULL rotation.

Quote me the rule because I have the Manual open right in front of me.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

Quote me the rule because I have the Manual open right in front of me.

The section and wording is quoted here:
https://www.supercars.com/news/champ...tp-protests-2/

Consistent with previous determinations of the DRD, when investigating if a breach of Rule D11.8.8 has occurred, the rear wheels must complete in excess of one full revolution for the imposition of a penalty to be recommended to the Stewards.

“As this did not occur the matter does not warrant being referred to the Stewards.”

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Mixer

The section and wording is quoted here:
https://www.supercars.com/news/champ...tp-protests-2/

That is NOT in the rules. You are quoting the decision, and I'm suggesting the decision is flawed. Show me anywhere in the rules that says "one full rotation of the wheels" is the difference between a penalty and no penalty. Why have a rule book if the officials are going to make it up on-the-fly?

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Both Scott and Shane parked right on the cards that were placed there, should we really be complaining to the idiot that put the centre one in the wrong place? Look at the photos. You could park a truck there Chaz's car is.

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true, but maybe , just maybe a little coming sense,.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

That is NOT in the rules. You are quoting the decision, and I'm suggesting the decision is flawed. Show me anywhere in the rules that says "one full rotation of the wheels" is the difference between a penalty and no penalty. Why have a rule book if the officials are going to make it up on-the-fly?

According to the Supercars regulations, rule D11.8.8 reads: "During any pitstop, from the time the car leaves the ground until it returns to the ground, it is not permitted to have the clutch engaged so as to cause the rear wheels to rotate unless prior approval is given by the S&TD.

"Where the S&TD grants such approval, the wheels must stop rotating prior to the car being lowered to the ground. For the sake of clarity, the wheels must not be rotating while the car is being lowered to the ground.

"A slight movement of the rear wheels indicating the engagement of a gear will not, at the sole discretion of the S&TD, constitute the rear wheels rotating."

As per previous interpretations THIS YEAR, the above is interpreted as under one full rotation.