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Old 5 Aug 2022, 16:20 (Ref:4121913)   #136
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I rather have a round on the mainland for once, how come British GT could afford it and BTCC doesn't ?
It's not a question of 'afford', it's a question of 'want to'. The typical British GT driver/sponsor is very different from the typical BTCC driver/sponsor. The appeal for a foreign race for a gentleman GT driver is not the same as for a BTCC sponsor.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 18:24 (Ref:4121921)   #137
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It's not a question of 'afford', it's a question of 'want to'. The typical British GT driver/sponsor is very different from the typical BTCC driver/sponsor. The appeal for a foreign race for a gentleman GT driver is not the same as for a BTCC sponsor.
how come the german STW had nearly half the rounds outside of germany (austria, belgium, holland) while BTCC was still confined to UK ?
the STW had not as much works teams as BTCC (but the exisitng works team entered more cars 4 to 6 ) but much larger grids due to the many many privateer drivers
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 18:37 (Ref:4121922)   #138
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how come the german STW had nearly half the rounds outside of germany (austria, belgium, holland) while BTCC was still confined to UK ?
the STW had not as much works teams as BTCC (but the exisitng works team entered more cars 4 to 6 ) but much larger grids due to the many many privateer drivers
The fact it hasn't existed for 20+ years tells you your answer!
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 18:37 (Ref:4121923)   #139
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how come the german STW had nearly half the rounds outside of germany (austria, belgium, holland) while BTCC was still confined to UK ?
Because the STW was not the BTCC, and the BTCC was not the STW. You aren't comparing like with like.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 20:23 (Ref:4121931)   #140
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how come the german STW had nearly half the rounds outside of germany (austria, belgium, holland) while BTCC was still confined to UK ?
the STW had not as much works teams as BTCC (but the exisitng works team entered more cars 4 to 6 ) but much larger grids due to the many many privateer drivers
To be fair, it's comparing apples with pairs. National championships are normally only permitted one round outside of their own country. However, this did not apply to German championships in the 1990s. This was due to the lack of permanent circuits in Germany at the time. A quick look at the STW calendar reveals quite a few long disbanded temporary circuits. This option was never available to the BTCC.

Secondly, there is a question of economics. The STW typically went to places like Assen and Zolder. These are pretty close to Germany and can be reached relatively easily and quickly. A BTCC round at, say, Assen would cist BTCC team a lot more than their German counterparts.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 20:29 (Ref:4121932)   #141
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I rather have a round on the mainland for once, how come British GT could afford it and BTCC doesn't ?
BTCC won’t even come to Mondello so I doubt there is much appetite to go to Europe - and then you Brits have to consider Brexit and the hidden costs of racing overseas - as can been seen by the number of European series that now don’t race in UK.
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BTCC won’t even come to Mondello so I doubt there is much appetite to go to Europe - and then you Brits have to consider Brexit and the hidden costs of racing overseas - as can been seen by the number of European series that now don’t race in UK.
Everything you say here is absolutely true.

For some reason, the BTCC of today is being compared to a series from nearly 30 years ago, with full manufacturer backing, on continental mainland, inside a free trade economic zone that only lasted for 6 seasons.

But apparently, that's a good model to aspire to?
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 23:55 (Ref:4121943)   #143
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Everything you say here is absolutely true.

For some reason, the BTCC of today is being compared to a series from nearly 30 years ago, with full manufacturer backing, on continental mainland, inside a free trade economic zone that only lasted for 6 seasons.
err , wasn't UK in said free economic zone ??

and the STW continued starting with 2000 as the DTM with Audi and Opel moved into it complete with some teams and drivers and even the DTM after 2000 has some rounds outside of Germany , for example in 2002 they held a 3 outside races, DONINGTON, A1 Ring and Zandvoort

so that DTM could afford to come to Donington yet BTCC is incapable to go outside for once

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Old 6 Aug 2022, 00:03 (Ref:4121944)   #144
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and heck not long ago there was talk about BTCC doing a Macau race back in 2015 but that didn't happen , even if the organizers offered to pay for the shipping

https://www.autosport.com/btcc/news/...07902/5007902/
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err , wasn't UK in said free economic zone ??

and the STW continued starting with 2000 as the DTM with Audi and Opel moved into it complete with some teams and drivers and even the DTM after 2000 has some rounds outside of Germany , for example in 2002 they held a 3 outside races, DONINGTON, A1 Ring and Zandvoort

so that DTM could afford to come to Donington yet BTCC is incapable to go outside for once
The DTM was blooming massive! I went in 2002 and the hospitality budgets would probably have funded most of the BTCC grid this year. Not a fair comparison.
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DTM and BTCC is like comparing F1 with FF1600.
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Old 6 Aug 2022, 08:33 (Ref:4121962)   #147
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so that DTM could afford to come to Donington yet BTCC is incapable to go outside for once
So you've gone from British GT, to STW, to DTM, in a desperate bid to make a point. It's almost as if you are deliberately trying to be contrary
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err , wasn't UK in said free economic zone ??
Yes - at the time of STW.

For reference though - this is the BTCC 2023 thread. You are comparing BTCC of 2023's aspirations with a totally different time and context of the global touring car market of the last century.

Now if you are genuinely suggesting that races outside of the UK would be a something that BTCC should look to in the future, maybe that is best placed in the 'improve product' thread here? - https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157247 - where I would look forward to seeing how you would propose to solve the associated issues of expense, marketing, drivers off-track schedules and customs / border movements.
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Apart from the non championship race in Dubai in 1981, the BTCC has always been in the British Isles only and it will remain that way
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Apart from the non championship race in Dubai in 1981, the BTCC has always been in the British Isles only and it will remain that way
True.

And the fact that we already know the calendar for 2023 makes discussions about racing elsewhere a moot point I think?

Future consideration maybe, but for 2023 that ship has sailed.
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