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Old 4 Aug 2022, 23:32 (Ref:4121828)   #121
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That's the idea I like and it seems quite obvious but I'm wondering who could pay for these 'co-drivers'? Certainly not teams and I also doubt there would be anyone willing to find sponsors/pay his own money just to drive a BTCC car for 45mins.
It would work exactly the same way as it does in GT racing. A lot of drivers subsidise a professional in those series. The top teams would bring in top drivers from elsewhere, as they have done in the past when additional late season entries were possible, whilst the teams further down the grid would sell the spots to drivers looking for BTCC experience. For what is an incredibly difficult series to get into these days due to the TBL system making it something of a closed shop, it would be a good way for other drivers to get some real experience of the series.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 05:20 (Ref:4121835)   #122
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Fuel shouldn't be a problem for a 90 minute race. If the current fuel containers are not sufficient to last for that long, then it would not be a major problem for the teams to have enlarged fuel cells manufactured and installed instead; I would imagine (in fact, I'm pretty certain that it would be part of the regulations) that they already have specially made fuel containers installed in the boot rather than using road going fuel tanks.
Any idea what a safety fuel tank costs? Also presumably a new fire wall would have to be fabricated. I would have thought a 60% increase in fuel load would make the handling “interesting”!
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 06:37 (Ref:4121837)   #123
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What type of filler do the cars have?

Remember they did around 45 mins racing for the Diamond race in 2018, so potentially only 1 refill required. Setting a minimum pitstop time would take away any requirement for specialist equipment to complete a stop too.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 07:09 (Ref:4121838)   #124
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What type of filler do the cars have?

Remember they did around 45 mins racing for the Diamond race in 2018, so potentially only 1 refill required. Setting a minimum pitstop time would take away any requirement for specialist equipment to complete a stop too.
I know what you're saying here but unfortunately, if the mandatory minimum pitstop time is set really long (for obvious safety reasons) you'd no longer have a 90 minute race but 2 x 42½ minute ones (for example if you see what I mean. It somewhat spoils the idea for me.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 07:12 (Ref:4121839)   #125
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I would guess a number of reasons, including:

A) Most BTCC teams would only want to fund the entry of 1 car, but have 2 drivers.
B) Most BTCC drivers are only physically accustomed to 20min races.
That answers the question of why you would want to run 2 drivers, but doesn't answer the question of why you would want a longer race in the first place, which I think was Matt's point.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 08:09 (Ref:4121845)   #126
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Maybe a hark back to the good old days when they had the 2 driver races in the Group A era, especially if it's a chance for some famous guest driver to turn up
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 08:51 (Ref:4121851)   #127
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Maybe a hark back to the good old days when they had the 2 driver races in the Group A era, especially if it's a chance for some famous guest driver to turn up
Or to do like Chris Hodgetts & Tiff Needell tried to do and co-drive both cars!
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 10:11 (Ref:4121861)   #128
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That answers the question of why you would want to run 2 drivers, but doesn't answer the question of why you would want a longer race in the first place, which I think was Matt's point.
As a one-off, it'd be something different and interesting to promote. Honestly, it probably doesn't appeal to the average BTCC viewer, but there are others who'd love the idea, and seeing different (potentially) high-level drivers against BTCC stars.
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As a one-off, it'd be something different and interesting to promote. Honestly, it probably doesn't appeal to the average BTCC viewer, but there are others who'd love the idea, and seeing different (potentially) high-level drivers against BTCC stars.
I do agree that this *might* be what *we* would like to see, but is still boils down to the facts that firstly the cars have to be capable of doing it (fuel capacity/hybrid duration etc.), and secondly, to attract the extra superstar drivers is going to need *someone* to pay for them.
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I do agree that this *might* be what *we* would like to see, but is still boils down to the facts that firstly the cars have to be capable of doing it (fuel capacity/hybrid duration etc.), and secondly, to attract the extra superstar drivers is going to need *someone* to pay for them.
Imagine a 90 minute race and everyone runs out of fuel before the end

Presumably, as not to inflate costs, as the running is longer than the usual 3 races combined, it'd take the place of one of the usual 10 Sundays rather than as an extra round
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 12:32 (Ref:4121876)   #131
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What type of filler do the cars have?

Remember they did around 45 mins racing for the Diamond race in 2018, so potentially only 1 refill required. Setting a minimum pitstop time would take away any requirement for specialist equipment to complete a stop too.
How is the fuel got into the tank now? I don't see any fillers on the outside of the car
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 12:55 (Ref:4121877)   #132
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I rather have a round on the mainland for once, how come British GT could afford it and BTCC doesn't ?
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 14:24 (Ref:4121891)   #133
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I rather have a round on the mainland for once, how come British GT could afford it and BTCC doesn't ?
BGT does it as a support race to something much bigger.
BTCC is always the biggest thing on its bill.
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Old 5 Aug 2022, 14:28 (Ref:4121892)   #134
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How is the fuel got into the tank now? I don't see any fillers on the outside of the car
From the pictures I've seen of NGTC cars looks like they fill directly into the top of the fuel cell from inside the car.
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BGT does it as a support race to something much bigger.
BTCC is always the biggest thing on its bill.
BGT's traditional round in Spa has the British GT cars as the main event; it's been the beginning of the European SRO "Speed Week" which ends with the 24 Hours of Spa. Next year, however, they're going to Portimao instead - but I expect they'll still be the main attraction.
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