[BTCC] Round Nine, Silverstone 24-25 Sep, Races 25,26&27

[SSmith]

Originally Posted by SSmith

Porsche Carrera Cup GB - 21 cars. Return of Jack Bartholomew (Richardson) and Ross Wylie (Toro Verde) to the Pro field. Return of Charles Bateman (Team Parker) in Pro-Am. Welcome championship return for Karl Leonard (Team Parker) in Pro-Am (presumably in Justin Sherwood's car given he is absent again). Mark Radcliffe returns to Valluga in the Am class. 11 Pros, 8 Pro-Ams, 2 Ams.

A new Am class entrant has been added - Finlay Cooper with Team Parker. Graham (Redline Racing) and Radcliffe (Valluga) didn't take part in today's test day.

[codename_47]

Looks like F4 is winning that whole Formula 4/GB3/4 war, pointless that it is that it happened in the first place

Here's an idea that's only been posted 1000 times on here: How about one strong single seater series instead of three competing at a similar level for the same talent pool?

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by codename_47

Looks like F4 is winning that whole Formula 4/GB3/4 war, pointless that it is that it happened in the first place

Here's an idea that's only been posted 1000 times on here: How about one strong single seater series instead of three competing at a similar level for the same talent pool?

GB3 is a Regional F3 series so really is one level higher than F4, and is an intermediate step to FIA F3.

GB4 is club racing for those with no money. F4 is about four times the budget.

[codename_47]

Originally Posted by peebee2

GB3 is a Regional F3 series so really is one level higher than F4, and is an intermediate step to FIA F3.

GB4 is club racing for those with no money. F4 is about four times the budget.

Tell that to the entry lists

A bit of a warning for Ginetta really, when you think about it

[Evantra]

Butcher on pole, as last year when he won race one and two.

All the championship contenders are well placed, except Turkington a little farther back, so looks like the points will close in tomorrow!

Regarding the support races, a double win in Juniors for Rowledge puts him over 100 points clear in the championship. Kellett retired from Supercup with Emson winning. Weller took the win in the Minis, now with a fairly conclusive lead in the points, and Gray was victorious in F4.


Will Powell was reprimanded for an incident with Collard in FP1, and also looked to be involved in Moffat's qualifying spin... Not sure Chilton on Taylor-Smith will be looked at too kindly either.

[porsche962fan]

sheesh it was almost like a movie script the 4 title contenders in reverse order on the grid Hill furthest and turkington at the midpack

Lord Gow needs an exiting Brands finale! hope for Tingram's sake he can keep Sutton behind or his title bid is over

[crmalcolm]

Looking at the main 4 in the championship, their position on the grid order is where you'd expect based on hybrid allocation.

Aside from Ingram, each of them has someone else in the same machinery that suggests their pace is genuine.

Hill did well to be the leading BMW. But Ingram's must surely be the best result when you compare the other i30s?

[Sodemo]

Always knew Turkington would suffer, it seems Hill can drag more out of the car than Colin?

[S griffin]

Good lap from Butcher to go on pole. Team mate Collard up there too in 6th. Hill good second, his team mates a bit down

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Always knew Turkington would suffer, it seems Hill can drag more out of the car than Colin?

Maybe this is the one circuit that hybrid has the clearest effect on?

It is the simplest circuit on the calendar, and so the hardest for a driver to find that 'edge' over another I would expect.
At other more complex layouts, there is more chance for a top level driver to find some way of compensating for the HEMS. Here, there is not that scope - and so it would be expected that Turkington suffers the most from HEMS, followed by championship order.

[Robshillito1990]

See all the drivers with more money than talent back to rich kids banger racing then. Absolute joke.

[porsche962fan]

Turkington another victim of NGTC fragility

[Robshillito1990]

Driving standards back to dismal today

[Matt K]

Drama for Turks... SC seems a perfect chance for Hill to take the lead.
Quite terrible driving standards in the second half of the grid.

[stuart thompson]

Ridiculous driving standards today!

[Robshillito1990]

Glad Hill didn't win that.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Glad Hill didn't win that.

Why?

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by stuart thompson

Ridiculous driving standards today!

Bumper cars! Surprised there wasn't a bigger accident.

[rdjones]

Crazy race, really shakes up the championship


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[Matt K]

Anyway, seems Sutton doesn't have pace to really fight for win today, Turks may scramble a few points but even a reversed grid might be difficult to achieve. All depends on his pace in R2 (and whether some ping pong players won't eliminate him again). All in all, seems a tough uphill battle for Colin to keep his title hopes alive especially if Hill, Sutton and Ingram keep scoring big points.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Turkington another victim of NGTC fragility

I would say he was the victim of touring car drivers expecting cars to be more like tanks when driving them.

The 'fragility' is what has prevented his weekend from being entirely ruined by a single incident. The damage was easily repairable - as demonstrated by the car getting back out before the end of the race. If that was not built into the NGTC design, there is more likelihood of another part of the suspension or even the engine or transmission being damaged.

Remember - as long as touring car drivers still think it is acceptable to bash into each other, then the forces generated during the impact have to be dissipated somewhere. The outer part of the steering is relatively simple and cheap to repair compared to some other parts of the suspension and transmission.

[porsche962fan]

looks like another title for Sutton

Sutton 315
Turkington 311
Tingram 305
Hill 305

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I would say he was the victim of touring car drivers expecting cars to be more like tanks when driving them.

The 'fragility' is what has prevented his weekend from being entirely ruined by a single incident. The damage was easily repairable - as demonstrated by the car getting back out before the end of the race. If that was not built into the NGTC design, there is more likelihood of another part of the suspension or even the engine or transmission being damaged..

no it is NGTC fragility because all those parts are exposed , not protected by the main body like Super touriers or BTC

[Evantra]

It was Cook who initially came together with Turkington, though not sure who's fault it was.

[Robshillito1990]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Why?

Because I am. Don't have to justify my opinion to anyone.