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Old 29 Mar 2003, 18:42 (Ref:552295)   #1
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Cart will race at Laguna Seca for at least 4 more years

http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mo...ts/5504652.htm

Ok, I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of this road course. Although it looks like it would be a blast to drive, it has almost always produced boring parades of cars with almost no overtaking. I think the fact that there's so little overtaking at Laguna was what made Alex's big move at teh corkscrew so celebrated a few years back.

Nevertheless, Cart fans enjoy this track so it's a good thing we'll be hear a little longer!

Now, work with Road America! That's THE one we need!!
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 18:45 (Ref:552297)   #2
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It's not Laguna Seca's fault, it's the drivers! There _are_ spots to overtake, but you've got to have the balls and the rythym!
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 18:50 (Ref:552300)   #3
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Are you saying you could do better?

If there were good passing spots, the drivers would have found 'em in the years that Cart has raced there.
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 18:51 (Ref:552303)   #4
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Alex's move at the corkscrew on Herta was fantastic. Very aggressive...I loved it. But am I the only one who thinks he (Alex) should have got a penalty for going through the turn (over the chicane) instead of around it? Even though I like hard charging racing, I guess Im a stickler when it comes to rules.
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 18:59 (Ref:552307)   #5
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Are you saying you could do better?

If there were good passing spots, the drivers would have found 'em in the years that Cart has raced there.
I'm not saying that (although who knows, if I had Yoong's funding)...

There _was_ passing there in past years. It's in the last decade that it's dried up. If you watch the Speed World Challenge races from Laguna Seca, they're doing plenty of passing.

And really, the passing at most venues has dried up in that time. It's partly because pit strategy has taken over Champcar races, and partly because drivers these days are being properly taught how to overtake.

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Old 29 Mar 2003, 19:09 (Ref:552311)   #6
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Are you saying you could do better?

If there were good passing spots, the drivers would have found 'em in the years that Cart has raced there.
I'm not saying that (although who knows, if I had Yoong's funding)...

There _was_ passing there in past years. It's in the last decade that it's dried up. If you watch the Speed World Challenge races from Laguna Seca, they're doing plenty of passing.
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 19:12 (Ref:552313)   #7
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I'm glad the circuit ahs stayed - it's famous, picturesque and certainly sorts the men from the boys. Other than the 2001 calamity mentioned elsewhere (pit strategy again), the races have always produced the right results.

Lee's right about general overtaking, until the final pitstop has been made, experienced guys usually wait until then uinless they get a genuine opportunity (rookies don't, of ocurse, oen advantage of having such a new field), and guys are often wary to risk a solid 5th place for a chance of 3rd, when they know that one false move sees them in the wall (an especially big problem on these silly street courses)
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 19:21 (Ref:552320)   #8
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Laguna is a great track and there has been passing in the past. If there's a problem passing, spend a bit of money and modify a corner.
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 20:26 (Ref:552376)   #9
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Laguna is a great track and there has been passing in the past. If there's a problem passing, spend a bit of money and modify a corner.
Good lord man! Don't give them the idea!!!
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Old 29 Mar 2003, 21:00 (Ref:552404)   #10
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Laguna is a great track and there has been passing in the past. If there's a problem passing, spend a bit of money and modify a corner.
Indeed, too many people think that the only way to create passing at a road course is a 1/2-mile straightaway followed by an impossibly tight hairpin or a chicane (those people tend to be named Ecclestone, Mosley, and Tilke). Laguna Seca, on the other hand, is designed to be fast and flowing throughout its length, and the addition of the Andretti hairpin and turns 3 & 4 did little to change the general nature of the track. It was designed so that cars could race two-wide around the entire course, except for the Corkscrew. However, the speed of Champ Cars has meant that it is considerably riskier to race two-wide on the course. What it really needs is to have the track widened.
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Old 30 Mar 2003, 03:38 (Ref:552640)   #11
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Laguna has a big long straight. Sometimes it's the radius, width, kinks or approach that kills passing. Making a minor modification like that should be quiet doable. I'm convinced Mid-Ohio could have passing with such a change.
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It's the approach at Mid-Ohio. There is no speed (rhythm) coming out of the last two slow corners. The start/finish straight looks kind of short to. Maybe it just looks that way?
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The thread title is somewhat misleading. "At least 4 more years" should read, "At least this year and next."

From CART.com:

"Today's announcement extends the track's sanctioning agreement with the Champ Car World Series for the next two years, ensuring that the race will take place in 2003 and 2004, and includes a series option to hold the race in 2005 and 2006."
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I think this years race at Laguna Seca will be a lot different than in recent years. With the expulsion of traction control it will be tougher to get a good run out of 11 and on to the front straight. You can pass in the 1,2 complex and 5 also has its opportunities. Zanardi proved that 8 also has it's methods, although I would argue that he came in too hot, missed the corner by accident and got lucky as he barreled through the dirt. Not to mention Herta flat out blew it IMHO.

Also, the fueling situation will make a huge difference if they don't have to either conserve fuel or make mandatory stops. People have often had to run lean to make the distance before. Not any more. It should be great.

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Yeah it looks like Laguna and maybe Cart want to see how things are going over the next year or 2 before Laguna is committed further and exercise any 05 and 06 option.
Certainly seem open to working with Cart at this stage which is healthy.
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