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Old 3 Oct 2012, 17:23 (Ref:3145812)   #1
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Ferrari complaining about other cars again
I see where Ferrari are complaining about McLaren and Red Bull wings flexing again.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...-mclaren-wing/

McLaren appear to be unaware of any problem judging by Martin Whitmarsh's reply

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103022

Why is it that Ferrari is always the one complaining rather than go out and build a faster car?
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Old 3 Oct 2012, 18:05 (Ref:3145825)   #2
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Because they are Ferrari.
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 10:11 (Ref:3145957)   #3
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I see where Ferrari are complaining about McLaren and Red Bull wings flexing again.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...-mclaren-wing/

McLaren appear to be unaware of any problem judging by Martin Whitmarsh's reply

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103022

Why is it that Ferrari is always the one complaining rather than go out and build a faster car?
Time the teams got to pay a hefty protest fee!
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 10:23 (Ref:3145963)   #4
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Because they are Ferrari.
Or maybe they have a reason to believe that something a bit odd is going on? But it may be that they are just Ferrari.



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Time the teams got to pay a hefty protest fee!
Its about 2000 Euros, at present. How much would it be worth to get a couple of tenths knocked off a rivals cars performance? 2m Euros? And if a lot of teams protest, maybe 10m Euros. The FIA would be thankful for that! So why not make it more likely that there will be more protests. How could the FIA do that? hmmm......
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 12:15 (Ref:3146024)   #5
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It would seem that Ferrari have got their way.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103056
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 12:28 (Ref:3146030)   #6
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It would seem that Ferrari have got their way.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103056
Be an irony if Ferrari failed the new test!
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 12:30 (Ref:3146033)   #7
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It would seem that Ferrari have got their way.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103056
Wonder what they will complain about next. The lowest cost way to make your car faster is to get everybody else going slower.
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 12:36 (Ref:3146037)   #8
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Be an irony if Ferrari failed the new test!
According to the article, they have already passed the test. But, as the article also suggests, maybe even they would have had to modify their wing as well.
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 14:17 (Ref:3146094)   #9
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That's the Ferrari way...
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totally. one has to almost admire the Machiavellian nature of Ferrari's timing with this. 6 races left, all flyaways, in a 2 month period and their title competitors will spend the weekend defending themselves from accusations of cheating.

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Old 4 Oct 2012, 15:09 (Ref:3146114)   #11
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I think it's funny how ferrari are always moaning and alonso always moans as well they are like peas in a pod! lol
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I wouldn't expect any other way, until they have it firmly on their hands, they will cry their hearts out.
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Old 4 Oct 2012, 15:43 (Ref:3146131)   #13
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If they were breaking the rules, then they were breaking the rules.
Except the rules stated that the flexibility of the front wing was tested in a specific way, and they all passed that. So from a legal perspective, no rules were broken - and as Adrian Newey said, there is no such thing as "spirit of the regulations".
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So why not make it more likely that there will be more protests. How could the FIA do that? hmmm......
Hell yeah - let's make the protests the sport instead of the racing.....

I can see the thread now - Japanese Grand Prix - POTR (Protester of the Race)........



Make the protest fee a million, IMO.
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So I guess when Ferrari had their wings clipped (pun intended) in the past, mirror modifications, wheel covers and the like protested, they made the protests themselves?

Just wondering since it is suggested that they are the ONLY team who ever protests another team's advantage...

...ask Adrian Newey who did the majority of the Red Bull protesting last year...
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...ask Adrian Newey who did the majority of the Red Bull protesting last year...
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Well, Red Bull were getting away with it for ages, I think it was their 2010 car which had the ridiculous amount of front wing flex, the FIA did nothing about it in that year. Actually, they may have introduced the tests in that year, can't remember, however the Red Bull car certainly had the same front wing almost dragging on the ground for the whole season.
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Well, Red Bull were getting away with it for ages, I think it was their 2010 car which had the ridiculous amount of front wing flex, the FIA did nothing about it in that year. Actually, they may have introduced the tests in that year, can't remember, however the Red Bull car certainly had the same front wing almost dragging on the ground for the whole season.
Yet it passed every test the FIA put upon it ?
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Except the rules stated that the flexibility of the front wing was tested in a specific way, and they all passed that. So from a legal perspective, no rules were broken - and as Adrian Newey said, there is no such thing as "spirit of the regulations".
Adrian Newey is paid £7 mil or whatever per annum to hold that view.

It is completely disingenuous to suggest there is no such thing as a "spirit of the regulations". Of course there is. The regulation prohibits flexible wings for a reason, the test was obviously not refined enough to dissuade some very clever people from cheating.

That's the game they're in, that's what they are paid for. Now they've been outed so we move on the the next "development".
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Yet it passed every test the FIA put upon it ?
Yep, they never seemed to be able to work out how they got the wing to flex so much it seems. I know they kept on "upping" the load that was tested, but it kept on passing. Strange really, the Ferrari had a similar flexing issue in or around 2006 I seem to recall, however I believe the FIA had a word and it was stamped out within a few races. It was to do with an upper section of the front wing effectively pivoting. I recall them having to change the pivot so that it didn't "turn" in effect when at speed.
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It is completely disingenuous to suggest there is no such thing as a "spirit of the regulations". Of course there is. The regulation prohibits flexible wings for a reason
There is no such thing as a front wing, currently used in F1, that doesn't flex. Not even HRT can claim that for their efforts.
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totally. one has to almost admire the Machiavellian nature of Ferrari's timing with this. 6 races left, all flyaways, in a 2 month period and their title competitors will spend the weekend defending themselves from accusations of cheating.

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Good point!

Change the rules, sorry the test, just as the fly aways come up.
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At the Korean GP, Ferrari are considering mulling over the feasibility of claiming that Red Bull and McLaren are "In League with The Devil!"

This isn't covered by any FIA regulations. So therefore, due to a vague interpretation of some medieval racing rules, there will be a short trial followed by summary execution of all relevant team members. Coffee and biscuits will be available, and please remember that F1 IS a dangerous sport.
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