[VASC18R21] Red Rooster SuperNight 300, Eastern Creek 3-4 Aug - Page 4

Mixer · 6 Aug 2018, 05:07 (Ref:3841765)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

My only question is, what makes 33,000 a rousing success on the weekend whilst 29,530 at the 2007 Eastern Creek event a massive failure?

I suspect because they didn't need Sunday to do it?

champcarman · 6 Aug 2018, 06:38 (Ref:3841768)

Seemed like the biggest crowd at SMP since the A1GP events. Quality support races probably helped.

one five five · 6 Aug 2018, 12:48 (Ref:3841835)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

My only question is, what makes 33,000 a rousing success on the weekend whilst 29,530 at the 2007 Eastern Creek event a massive failure?

Because in 2007 the category was pushing the NSW State Government to ditch Eastern Creek and move the event to Homebush. 29,530 was a bad crowd because it had to be, it helped push the agenda for Homebush

In 2018 33,000 is a roaring success because the extra 4000 people help push the agenda for night racing, and helps the category sell an image that this new format is a raging success and Sydney loves Supercars etc etc...

ie... they spin any crowd number good or bad to push any agenda

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Originally Posted by Mixer

I suspect because they didn't need Sunday to do it?

Did they need Sunday in 2007? The main event was run on the Monday that year wasn't it?

Mixer · 6 Aug 2018, 14:13 (Ref:3841849)

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Originally Posted by one five five

Did they need Sunday in 2007? The main event was run on the Monday that year wasn't it?

You should be proud of such pedantry.

The entire crowd was basically through Friday/Saturday - rather than Saturday/Sunday/Monday or whatever.

Terry S · 7 Aug 2018, 00:24 (Ref:3841971)

Ex Supercars CEO James Warburton has let slip that the crowd on Saturday was 21,220, a long way from the 33,000 quoted by others.

Maybe as an ex executive he had access to the real figures.

D.R.T. · 7 Aug 2018, 00:41 (Ref:3841973)

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Originally Posted by Terry S

Ex Supercars CEO James Warburton has let slip that the crowd on Saturday was 21,220, a long way from the 33,000 quoted by others.

Maybe as an ex executive he had access to the real figures.

Always pays to scratch the surface with Supercars and their press releases.

A few comments from spectators suggest that access to the spectator mounds were limited to the front straight, turn 1 and 2 (inclusive of pit building/skid pan). No doubt to reduce spectator lighting needed but also helps bunch people together for tv cameras.

ford71 · 7 Aug 2018, 02:39 (Ref:3841980)

I saw those numbers in an article yesterday online.
Pretty sure the 21k was Saturday only and the 33k was overall

champcarman · 7 Aug 2018, 04:39 (Ref:3841988)

According to Autosport the crowd was 22000 on Saturday, still pretty good for Sydney. Go back to 2003 when SMP was the final Round of the Series and check out the crowd though.

Terry S · 7 Aug 2018, 05:29 (Ref:3841992)

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Originally Posted by ford71

I saw those numbers in an article yesterday online.
Pretty sure the 21k was Saturday only and the 33k was overall

That would indicate there were 12,000 spectators there on Friday.

That is more than half of Saturday’s crowd. This is very unlikely given it was a workday. Also i watched Friday’s TV and don’t believe it to be the case.

Mixer · 7 Aug 2018, 06:06 (Ref:3841995)

Case closed then.

sizzle · 7 Aug 2018, 06:18 (Ref:3841996)

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Originally Posted by Terry S

That would indicate there were 12,000 spectators there on Friday.

That is more than half of Saturday’s crowd. This is very unlikely given it was a workday. Also i watched Friday’s TV and don’t believe it to be the case.

Friday was full of more school kids than you could poke sticks at.
I would have thought the numbers were about right at half.

one five five · 7 Aug 2018, 07:49 (Ref:3842011)

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Originally Posted by sizzle

Friday was full of more school kids than you could poke sticks at.
I would have thought the numbers were about right at half.

No doubt the school kids got the tickets for free

So out of the 33,000 , how many paid for their tickets? (ie... did Supercars Events make money out of the exercise?)

21,000 puts a different view on things compared to the releases making it sound like 33,000 watched the race

Umai Naa · 7 Aug 2018, 09:16 (Ref:3842027)

I for one am thankful the event happened.

It was a great spectacle.

rich07 · 7 Aug 2018, 11:20 (Ref:3842057)

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Originally Posted by sizzle

Friday was full of more school kids than you could poke sticks at.
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Seems to be the norm at SMP but not a bad move if those kids are getting in free. Beats sitting behind a desk and if gets just some of those kids interested in motorsport then it’s well worth it.

Hopefully I make it back next year to SMP.

**GTRMagic** · 7 Aug 2018, 11:45 (Ref:3842064)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I for one am thankful the event happened.

It was a great spectacle.

How can it have been a good event, there was no crowd...

**Woolley** · 7 Aug 2018, 12:12 (Ref:3842071)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

A few comments from spectators suggest that access to the spectator mounds were limited to the front straight, turn 1 and 2 (inclusive of pit building/skid pan). No doubt to reduce spectator lighting needed but also helps bunch people together for tv cameras.

It's normal at the Silverstone 24 hours to restrict spectators from certain areas overnight. I guess the risk of someone having an accident in the dark and not being found is greater. H&S and all that. And as you say, it saves having to provide lighting to those areas.

Umai Naa · 7 Aug 2018, 14:19 (Ref:3842106)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

How can it have been a good event, there was no crowd...

There was only one of me in the loungeroom, and as far as introverts go, that's a capacity crowd

Compromised · 7 Aug 2018, 19:00 (Ref:3842174)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

How can it have been a good event, there was no crowd...

This is why we shouldn't judge Supercars "success" based on crowd numbers..........we should judge it based on manufacturer interest..........................................

Just Do It! · 8 Aug 2018, 02:15 (Ref:3842224)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

There was only one of me in the loungeroom, and as far as introverts go, that's a capacity crowd

Point of Order: Two, if you count your alter-ego

Umai Naa · 8 Aug 2018, 03:11 (Ref:3842227)

Apparently

Terry S · 8 Aug 2018, 06:32 (Ref:3842239)

I love ex CEO James Warburton's press release so much I will quote one paragraph in full:

"A bumper 21,220 crowd flocked to the circuit overshadowing the two NRL games in the city that clashed with the race on Saturday night"

The numbers are correct but I will put it in perspective for those not familiar with the NRL

There was a total of 15,879 at the two games.

BUT the opposition in both games were from Queensland (being North Queensland and Gold Coast) and their fans don't travel to Sydney, and they have little Sydney support.

One of the Sydney sides was Parramatta and they are fighting for the wooden spoon. There game only drew 6,158.

So Warburton's statement is a mastery of spin, which we should be used to with Supercars.

Mixer · 8 Aug 2018, 06:41 (Ref:3842240)

If they beat AFL it would be a different story, NRL has never really had huge attendance at grounds.

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Tourer · 8 Aug 2018, 06:48 (Ref:3842244)

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Originally Posted by Terry S

I love ex CEO James Warburton's press release so much I will quote one paragraph in full:

"A bumper 21,220 crowd flocked to the circuit overshadowing the two NRL games in the city that clashed with the race on Saturday night"

So Warburton put out a press release about his former company? That's pretty unusual - had a look and couldn't find it, could you please give us a link Terry?

You mention that the release is a mastery of spin, "which we should be used to with Supercars" but Warburton isn't from Supercars so I'm not sure what the point is?

You're right about 2 of the NRL games featuring interstate teams, however it should be pointed out that ALL of the Supercar teams are from interstate so again, I'm not sure what the point is?

D.R.T. · 8 Aug 2018, 07:02 (Ref:3842249)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

So Warburton put out a press release about his former company? That's pretty unusual - had a look and couldn't find it, could you please give us a link Terry?

You mention that the release is a mastery of spin, "which we should be used to with Supercars" but Warburton isn't from Supercars so I'm not sure what the point is?

You're right about 2 of the NRL games featuring interstate teams, however it should be pointed out that ALL of the Supercar teams are from interstate so again, I'm not sure what the point is?

Using those NRL numbers - the last 10 Eastern Creek v8 rounds would have beaten the NRL crowds in Sydney.

Tourer · 8 Aug 2018, 07:10 (Ref:3842251)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Using those NRL numbers - the last 10 Eastern Creek v8 rounds would have beaten the NRL crowds in Sydney.

You could be right (or not) but I'm still surprised at a former CEO issuing a press release about an event run by his former company.

I think it's great that the event seemed to work & grab some imagination, along with plenty of raves from those that attended and watched on TV. It may just be that the night time aspect really suits SMP and the lifestyle / time availability of people in the area. If it keeps going and growing in future years, so much the better.

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