Driver Renault sign the Honey Badger - Page 7

Alan52 · 3 Aug 2018, 23:19 (Ref:3841246)

They are both great drivers and either would be capable of winning the world championship given the right car.I hate to see blind patriotism cloud people's judgement and this is what happens here.
A more reasoned analysis would be last year's Autocourse rankings where they were ranked 2 and 3 behind Hamilton(Verstappen 2nd).

Dixon9 · 3 Aug 2018, 23:21 (Ref:3841247)

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Originally Posted by Racer65

Combination of things I expect. Uncertainty about the Honda engine but I expect RBR were playing hard ball over salary etc as they knew how limited his options were. Given the way Webber was treated when up against a Red Bull "golden child" I expect Daniel could see the writing on the wall.

Renault is probably the best of what is left and perhaps a better bet for the next two years than Red Bull but the direction their personnel structure is heading would concern me as the "no top dog" structures just don't seem to work in F1.

yeah this. no point when your team thinks you're mark webber. have some dignity and move.

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

I think this is a good move. He's outclassed by Verstappen and next year is gonna be a disaster with the Honda engine. There is every chance Renault might be able to beat Red Bull next year.

god i hate verstappen fans. if there's one thing motorsport needs to get rid of then closely behind pay driver spam it's kids with the right daddies who can throw down a searing hot lap but have no idea what they're doing on a race track.

at least pay drivers can keep a midfield or struggling team financially stable.

EffectiveSprinkles · 3 Aug 2018, 23:38 (Ref:3841249)

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Originally Posted by Greem

Stepping away from the nyah nyah a moment:

Max clearly has ludicrous speed but his racecraft is questionable, which in theory will improve with experience.

Daniel also has ludicrous speed, but the experience he has means his racecraft is better in that he's less likely to do something dumb.

The problem with doing something dumb is that it relies upon people with decent racecraft around you, and a realisation by all parties that you're all playing the long game.

Max doesn't seem to realise that latter piece.

Yet. He'll be genuinely brilliant if he ever does.

Watch his onboard from the Hockenheim start.

F1Guy · 4 Aug 2018, 00:14 (Ref:3841255)

Exactly a year ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVVBTR9wys

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/40770481

Same senseless driving as Vettel this year, in exactly the same corner. Verstappen and Vettel should drive for the same team. Hopefully Ferrari. They both have the same temperament in the car, and use exactly the same language when things don't go well. Champion behaviour that.

As for Verstappen's team-mate for 2019, Sainz has it in his contract that if he was to return to the Red Bull family, it has to be for a seat in the senior team only. And as Sainz and Verstappen don't get along, I can't see Sainz at RBR (was always Marko's intention anyway). Because the 'golden boy' has Horner and Marko licking a nut each to keep him happy.

Gasly and Verstappen won't be the best combination set up, engineering and experience wise. So hopefully, that is the way RBR go. Happy to see RBR slip down the order next season. Now that Ricciardo won't be there, I have no reason to support them. Horner's constant whinging, and Marko's constant blaming was overwhelming, and I am so happy to see Ricciardo at Renault. Can't wait to for the RBR vs Renault battle in 2019. It should be a good one.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 4 Aug 2018, 00:30 (Ref:3841256)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

I thought they were going to sign Webber.

Yeah, I suppose but it didn't work out.

bathurst77 · 4 Aug 2018, 01:32 (Ref:3841266)

Which would you rather be?

The number 2 driver at a 3rd place team that has lost its way a little and is giving its best equipment and grouping itself around the other bloke.

Or the number 1 at a slightly worse team that is on the rise and will make you their focus?

Paradise City · 4 Aug 2018, 02:09 (Ref:3841277)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

Even going to the Renault works team would be a better bet.

Well whaddya know. Old Dan obviously saw my post and took the plunge.

Paradise City · 4 Aug 2018, 03:16 (Ref:3841284)

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Originally Posted by Greem

Stepping away from the nyah nyah a moment:

Max clearly has ludicrous speed but his racecraft is questionable, which in theory will improve with experience.

Daniel also has ludicrous speed, but the experience he has means his racecraft is better in that he's less likely to do something dumb.

Yes, Verstappen is a confident lad who's 20. He oozes speed and in terms of raw speed he's probably the fastest there's been for many years. But his head gets too hot and he screws up. Too much instinct, too little calculation, too little patience.

He's not a lad that gets demoralised easily and as long as he doesn't, he's got years to bed in a better temperament. In ten years he'll be DR's age and DR isn't that old.

DR's most abiding problem is dogs bad luck in terms of his career and while circa 30 is late F1 middle-age it's still tough to actually forecast how he'll get to a top team to win the WC. He needs luck and lots of it.

S griffin · 4 Aug 2018, 08:30 (Ref:3841308)

Danny is someone I'd like to see challenge for the title, his personality makes him my new favourite F1 driver. And he can race hard, but cleanly. He has it in him to do the job

Max still has the speed, but after last season's bad luck which didn't seem to get him down and seemed to make him stronger, seemingly lost it with so many mistakes at the beginning of the season. His win in Austria shows he is still a great driver with a great future. His mistakes have been a bit less recently, showing he is learning

**GTRMagic** · 4 Aug 2018, 11:43 (Ref:3841367)

Video With Mr Ricciardo Here

Class Act.

S griffin · 4 Aug 2018, 12:01 (Ref:3841376)

Indeed

Articus · 4 Aug 2018, 13:06 (Ref:3841393)

So Ricciardo bagged a 20million (pounds!) per year agreement. Rumoured that the Hulk is only making about 4 million pounds a year

BSchneiderFan · 4 Aug 2018, 13:08 (Ref:3841396)

Ricciardo is a multiple race winner. Hülkenberg’s never even seen a podium. I’d say he’s bloody lucky to be getting four million.

Articus · 4 Aug 2018, 13:09 (Ref:3841398)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

Yes, Verstappen is a confident lad who's 20. He oozes speed and in terms of raw speed he's probably the fastest there's been for many years. But his head gets too hot and he screws up. Too much instinct, too little calculation, too little patience.

Meh, I think Hamilton, Vettel, ('05-'06 Raikkonen) are his equals when it comes to raw speed. Ultimately there is no real metric for who is the "fastest" but Max is definitely not average.

Articus · 4 Aug 2018, 13:10 (Ref:3841399)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Ricciardo is a multiple race winner. Hülkenberg’s never even seen a podium. I’d say he’s bloody lucky to be getting four million.

Yes I agree, Ricciardo deserves his contract fully! I just couldn't help but notice that if one driver is being paid massively more than the other, then that shows who the #1 driver in the team is intended to be....

wnut · 4 Aug 2018, 13:22 (Ref:3841400)

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Originally Posted by bathurst77

Which would you rather be?

The number 2 driver at a 3rd place team that has lost its way a little and is giving its best equipment and grouping itself around the other bloke.

Or the number 1 at a slightly worse team that is on the rise and will make you their focus?

Yep, and it is a works team, and Dan knows the Renault people.

I think it was the best move he could have made given the available options.

Akrapovic · 4 Aug 2018, 16:10 (Ref:3841431)

This move will be interesting for both drivers. DR really needs to blow Hulk out of the water to show he can be a world champion. If he is 'only' at Hulks level, then he's effectively taken himself out of the running for a top drive again. If he's below Hulks level then his career could end pretty quickly.

For Hulk, if he doesn't match DR then his career can be considered over. For years, Hulk has been called the next big thing but he's never seen a podium before. So that charade could either come apart in a big way or be proven completely true.

Someone is going to be very disappointed next year.

**Aysedasi** · 4 Aug 2018, 16:48 (Ref:3841441)

I'm hoping that the Hulk will have the chance (and the impetus) to raise his game. I've always thought he could get decent results in a good car.

BSchneiderFan · 4 Aug 2018, 16:59 (Ref:3841445)

As time wears on, I become less and less convinced by Hülkenberg. Yes, he’s won Le Mans, no small feat; but there have been no stand-out results in F1 (though there was that pole in Brazil) when some of his team mates have made hay. This is certainly his stiffest test to date, and maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I think Ricciardo will best him pretty comprehensively.

**Aysedasi** · 4 Aug 2018, 17:08 (Ref:3841447)

Well, whatever happens, it will be interesting to see.

djinvicta · 4 Aug 2018, 17:26 (Ref:3841450)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Exactly a year ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVVBTR9wys

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/40770481

Same senseless driving as Vettel this year, in exactly the same corner. Verstappen and Vettel should drive for the same team. Hopefully Ferrari. They both have the same temperament in the car, and use exactly the same language when things don't go well. Champion behaviour that.

As for Verstappen's team-mate for 2019, Sainz has it in his contract that if he was to return to the Red Bull family, it has to be for a seat in the senior team only. And as Sainz and Verstappen don't get along, I can't see Sainz at RBR (was always Marko's intention anyway). Because the 'golden boy' has Horner and Marko licking a nut each to keep him happy.

Gasly and Verstappen won't be the best combination set up, engineering and experience wise. So hopefully, that is the way RBR go. Happy to see RBR slip down the order next season. Now that Ricciardo won't be there, I have no reason to support them. Horner's constant whinging, and Marko's constant blaming was overwhelming, and I am so happy to see Ricciardo at Renault. Can't wait to for the RBR vs Renault battle in 2019. It should be a good one.

Got to be Kimi the No2 at Red Bull then...

djinvicta · 4 Aug 2018, 17:28 (Ref:3841451)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Yep, and it is a works team, and Dan knows the Renault people.

I think it was the best move he could have made given the available options.

True. Sensible quote...And as for Hulk in F1? No...Sorry...you've had your chance..

Alan52 · 5 Aug 2018, 00:37 (Ref:3841498)

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Originally Posted by Articus

Yes I agree, Ricciardo deserves his contract fully! I just couldn't help but notice that if one driver is being paid massively more than the other, then that shows who the #1 driver in the team is intended to be....

But if you are mentally tough enough you can get over that.Look at Rosberg v Hamilton for the definitive example.
Bad decision by Dan made for all the wrong reasons.

Oldtony · 5 Aug 2018, 01:11 (Ref:3841505)

This thread understandably concentrates on Danny's driving.
I will be interested to see to see what Renault/Nissan etc can do with his outstanding marketability.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 5 Aug 2018, 01:14 (Ref:3841506)

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Originally Posted by Oldtony

This thread understandably concentrates on Danny's driving.
I will be interested to see to see what Renault/Nissan etc can do with his outstanding marketability.

There is the Nissan equation. Maybe a pop at Le Mans, one day?

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