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16 May 2003, 00:26 (Ref:1583463) | #26 | ||
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Chris, A/S JUNE 20 74 P.5 , Mike Sullivan, now has two 722 , one with Falconer bodywork and other with Latest March bodywork. One was to be driven by Aust. Driver Mike Knight on Alan Jones recc. to replace him in team .
Kevin, recd. info from one of his previous owners also advising that Kevin may bump into in Aust. ANOTHER of his ex March cars over here . The owner was John Mackinlay , and he advised in letter on B.M.W. LETTERHEAD ON 14 MAY 2003 , that the other car was a 742 and he sold it to a chap from B.M.W. in Australia . This is my query car re. 742-U2 . Bryan. |
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17 May 2003, 21:54 (Ref:1583464) | #27 | ||
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Anyone have any history on tub number 732/15. Bryan has told me where it is today but I'd appreciate any pointers to where it might have been before 1978. Do the March records mentioned here contain any reference to it? Thanks Allen |
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17 May 2003, 22:14 (Ref:1583465) | #28 | ||
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If tub 732-15 is an equivalent to the chassis then this is a rebuild of Beuttler's 732-9 by Brian Lewis using the tub from what was intended to be 732-15 after Beuttler destroys chassis 9 at Rouen. The complicating factor is that this may [allegedly] have subsequently been rebuilt as a 742 [10] for Heavens [the car raced by Antonio Prado in '75] Despite the fact that Jorg Obermoser has also got a 742-10 raced by Dave Walker and Harald Ertl in '74 which is a different car altogether. Chris |
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17 May 2003, 23:19 (Ref:1583466) | #29 | ||
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A Question,What is the difference between a tub and a chassis?.Isn't the tub the chassis,or is the chassis the tub with wheels and gearbox?.
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17 May 2003, 23:38 (Ref:1583467) | #30 | ||
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Armco, March has [should have] a chassis plate rivetted on to alloy panel, which will say ,E.G. 732-9 , which at that stage could have meant an F2 or an F/atlantic.
On a certain part of the car was also stampted a tub no. E.G. 732-6 .Sometimes these were the same , but only when new,and it did not take long for cars to get damaged , you then got a replacement tubE.G. 732-20 and slid it under your chassis plate and ended up with Chassis no.732-9 plate under tub 732-20 and went on your merry way till you stuffed it again . In the meantime your original may have been repaired and was sitting at March or Thompson's all lost and lonely untill it went into service again this time in what used to be say, 732-32. Then along come people like say Fred Smith and buy a rebuilt tub and parts and build the whole mess up in 1976 and people like Chris,Allen ,myself and various others go nuts trying to figure it all out. Bryan. |
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18 May 2003, 04:45 (Ref:1583468) | #31 | ||
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So Marches,and most cars are like Grandpa's axe,7 new heads and 10 new handles,but still Grandpa's original.
So you can take the chassis plate and slap it on a new tub too,and still call it the original car as long as you have that original chassis plate?. |
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25 Aug 2003, 21:49 (Ref:1583491) | #32 | ||
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As this seems to be the Atlantic March thread, I thought I'd try this question here.
Thanks to the quite excellent Curt Bond, I now have full results from the 1974Van Heusen series and I'm trying to identify all the cars. Ian Douglass's March. This is variously described as a 732, a 733 and a 743. Anyone know what it was? |
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25 Aug 2003, 23:52 (Ref:1583492) | #33 | ||
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Ian Douglass car was apparently a March 732 that was damaged at Amaroo in May, 1974. He then adapted 742 parts to the car. Later in the year it becomes known as a March 743, as far as i know he had the 1 car. The car was damaged at Oran park in 1975, put in the trailer, where it caught fire, and apparently the whole lot burnt to the ground in the Oran park pit area.
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29 Aug 2003, 09:13 (Ref:1583495) | #35 | ||
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My mistake typo or something is Ian Douglas; I probably had Ken Smith on my mind at the time; my excuse anyway! |
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19 Oct 2003, 20:48 (Ref:1583496) | #36 | |
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Hello Brian & co,
Ref my enquiry on the `March` thread about the two 742`s I have. I have spent most of today reading this thread & was suprised to see one of the cars in question mentioned. Seems there is a lot more information available than I ever imagined. If any of you can help to piece together some history of the cars it would be most helpful. Brian, you know of one of the cars from the BMW Sydney connection. The numbers I have are on the plates `742-U1` and `742-U2`, monocoque numbers are `732-68` and `732-72`. Can`t remember which number is with which without looking at the cars, Strange I should have only 2 cars here with consecutive numbers ? The `BMW Sydney` car (742-U2 I think....) was ex of NZ. The other car has never left the UK to my knowledge. I assume this means both cars began life as 732`s? Is there any chance of finding information on either car ? I was told when in NZ the car once used a Mazda rotary engine, i noticed that such a car was mentioned earlier in this thread. I do have a strange gearbox adapter that came with the car ?? My first love is old BMW touring cars, so I am starting from zero with this. Having read your posts, how does anybody know which car they have ?? Regards alex |
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9 Dec 2003, 17:46 (Ref:1583497) | #37 | ||
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The Robin Smith/Richard Jones March 742, which also ran in 78 Libre/Aurora? .
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10 Dec 2003, 09:12 (Ref:1583498) | #38 | ||
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The Smith-Jones 742 was a scruffy old nail! It was 742-15 ex Trivatello car raced by Gabrielle Serblin in 74, a Trivatello spare for almost anyone with an Italian passport in '75 then sold to the incomparable betoupéed 'Gimax' [aka Carlo Franchi] before it reached the UK. |
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10 Dec 2003, 11:00 (Ref:1583499) | #39 | ||
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The Smith-Jones 742, yes it wasn't much of a 'looker'. As I recall it had a very home-made radiator in the front nose, nothing like as elegant as the 782 nose, but intended for the same effect I guess. About as well looked after as the infamous Carlo Giorgio car, a 732(?) that he updated thru the 70s, and still used in I think 79, up against much more modern cars. Still there were some very optimistic Italians in F2 in those days, and much the better the serries was for them !!
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10 Dec 2003, 11:28 (Ref:1583500) | #40 | ||
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Carlo Giorgio's well used March was actually 742-28 which he bought new and flogged round Europe for at least 5 years without ever attaching mirrors... |
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16 Jan 2004, 22:21 (Ref:1583501) | #41 | |
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Regarding Don Briedenbach"s March 75b, I own it not Seiniger. Don's car is 75B/4; Seiniger's is 752-38 or 36. I know this because Tim Fortner and I restored both cars and sold Seiniger his. His car is a bitsa put together in 1976 by Richard Paul's mechanic to run in FB in 1976 and has a F3 tub. Briendenbach has seen 75B/4 and recognised it as his car and I have the log book to prove it. I also own 722-6 which supposedly is Bob Lazier's car by hearsay.
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18 Jan 2004, 01:45 (Ref:1583504) | #42 | ||
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18 Jan 2004, 10:59 (Ref:1583506) | #43 | ||
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I have a few questions about the bitsa built by Richard Paul. Did the 752-36 or 38 plate come from March or was it a modification of the 753 plate? Or was it the tub number? The highest number 752 seen in Europe is in the low 20s and I'm puzzled if this is in continuity with the build records. But thanks so much for your help on Briedenbach's car. Do you have any more history on 722-6 that might help us link it all the way through? Chris |
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722-6 was originally used in period [both 72 and 73 seasons] by Jean-Claude Favre, in Euro F2 and I guess the odd hillclimb. Any idea when George Seydell got it? Chris |
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19 Jan 2004, 11:08 (Ref:1583510) | #46 | ||
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I have Favre's 1973 car as 722/16
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19 Jan 2004, 22:28 (Ref:1583511) | #47 | ||
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While we're on the subject of Marches again, our March "Atlantic", 742/88 has an odd SCCA number, 073. No prefix.
Has anyone any idea how and when it might have aquired it? David. |
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John Smith in N.Ireland currently owns 722-16 [according to Richard Young] and says it is the car he bought new from March in 1972. Motoring News shows Beuttler as using that car at the first race that season but that wouldn't preclude it from Smith's ownership thereafter [or the plate being swapped.] Chris |
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28 Jun 2004, 11:10 (Ref:1583530) | #50 | ||
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742-23 was also a Harper car in the MArch sales record, but F1R has it as Quester's.
Now what do we think of F1R!!? This is probably the car that went to John Walker for F. Libre in 1976 as well - which was 'ex Purley'. Chris |
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