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Old 16 Mar 2020, 20:48 (Ref:3964698)   #51
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Indeed. The legal definition of ‘emergency services’ is no doubt causing some head scratching.

And are circuits or meeting organisers at liberty to employ private ‘emergency services’, and would their insurance be valid in such an eventuality?
'Paramedic' is a protected title. It is an offence to describe yourself as such unless you are registered with the HCPC.

Once you have that registration, it matters not if your day job is in the public or private sector.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 21:23 (Ref:3964705)   #52
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'Paramedic' is a protected title. It is an offence to describe yourself as such unless you are registered with the HCPC. Once you have that registration, it matters not if your day job is in the public or private sector.
While perhaps not employed at clubbies to any extent, Police and Fire brigade personnel are usually employed in numbers at events like Goodwood MM / FoS / Revival? How would they cope without all the police traffic control, I wonder?
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 21:38 (Ref:3964709)   #53
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While perhaps not employed at clubbies to any extent, Police and Fire brigade personnel are usually employed in numbers at events like Goodwood MM / FoS / Revival? How would they cope without all the police traffic control, I wonder?
The traffic would probably flow a lot more freely!!
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 21:52 (Ref:3964711)   #54
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Not sure what this is suggesting really.
The Govt didn't set a limit on the number of people and they mentioned indoor, social events. It's not obvious whether this is intended to cover lightly attended outdoor events. Perfectly logical to conclude that motor sport very much counts as "non-essential travel" of course but I can see why MSUK want a bit more clarification before deciding. The circuits and series may decide for them of course.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 22:04 (Ref:3964714)   #55
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All seemed pretty clear to me. They didn't specify indoors or outdoor.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 22:14 (Ref:3964719)   #56
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All seemed pretty clear to me. They didn't specify indoors or outdoor.
These are the exact words used:

“Now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others and to stop all unnecessary travel. We need people to start working from home where they possibly can. And you should avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues,”

Indoors/outdoors not specified, but the examples given are indoors and no upper limit of numbers gathered, which is presumably why MSUK want a bit more clarity. I'm not disagreeing with your interpretation of the clear intent, just exploring why MSUK haven't immediately decided to stop all motorsport events.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 22:20 (Ref:3964722)   #57
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I think you'll find they also mentioned large gatherings or similar. There is also the issue of not supporting large gatherings. All pretty clear IMO.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 22:32 (Ref:3964729)   #58
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Yes, to quote from the Guardian:

'Johnson said the risk of transmission of the disease at sporting events was relatively low, "but obviously, logically, as we advise against unnecessary social contact of all kinds, it's right that we should extend that advice to mass gatherings as well".'

"Advice" is much weaker than a directive. Same goes for theatres - advice, not a ban. That means the theatre is liable for ticket refunds - if instructed to close, they would not be.

Again, I don't dispute the clear intent, but the words themselves are a little vague.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 22:44 (Ref:3964732)   #59
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I think that the intent is clear, along with the statement that “medical staff will no support large gatherings from tomorrow”.
Now some will argue, I am sure, that the circuits use private medical staff but no one can seriously expect the PM to make a statement which covers every industry and every eventuality.

It’s also worth noting that plenty of individual clubs, and other sports, are cancelling events without waiting for clarification. Individual clubs are acting ahead of our own governing body.

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Old 17 Mar 2020, 07:44 (Ref:3964775)   #60
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Yes, to quote from the Guardian:

'Johnson said the risk of transmission of the disease at sporting events was relatively low, "but obviously, logically, as we advise against unnecessary social contact of all kinds, it's right that we should extend that advice to mass gatherings as well".'

"Advice" is much weaker than a directive. Same goes for theatres - advice, not a ban. That means the theatre is liable for ticket refunds - if instructed to close, they would not be.

Again, I don't dispute the clear intent, but the words themselves are a little vague.
Government taking the route of believing business and people will do the right thing without the need to mandate, but also added when asked that the government had all the powers it needed if required.

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Old 17 Mar 2020, 07:56 (Ref:3964779)   #61
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'Johnson said the risk of transmission of the disease at sporting events was relatively low, "but obviously, logically, as we advise against unnecessary social contact of all kinds, it's right that we should extend that advice to mass gatherings as well".'

"Advice" is much weaker than a directive. Same goes for theatres - advice, not a ban. That means the theatre is liable for ticket refunds - if instructed to close, they would not be.

Again, I don't dispute the clear intent, but the words themselves are a little vague.
Let’s be honest, most government directives tend to be vague!

As you observe above, and has been said in the MM thread, liability to refund customers or not depends on who cancels the event. Also, whether the organiser can claim from their business interruption insurance, presuming they have it.....
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All sport has stopped, even my lads football team has suspended all matches and training . . . .thats 23 people in 7500 square metres . . . . I think we can forget driving round in circles for a while . . . unless its all closed cockpit cars and drive in drive out, no paddocks with a speed limit and only 1 marshall per post!
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Just had an email from AMOC telling me that Thursdays day @ Curborough is 'off'. No surprise.
At the moment Saturdays Javelin day @ Mallory is still happening.
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TOCA have postponed the first three BTCC meetings of the year.
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I'd like to see Motorsport UK come out and stop all motorsport. My club has cancelled all events and meetings for three months but potentially for longer. I am surprised there are a few wanting to continue.
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I'd like to see Motorsport UK come out and stop all motorsport. My club has cancelled all events and meetings for three months but potentially for longer. I am surprised there are a few wanting to continue.
Likewise, our local club has canceled its navigational 12 car road rally on Friday evening.
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Likewise, our local club has canceled its navigational 12 car road rally on Friday evening.
All Sporting Car Club of Norfolk social and competitive events cancelled or postponed until further notice....
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CSCC going ahead with their test day tomorrow at Snetterton. I have withdrawn; been promised a refund.
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I'd like to see Motorsport UK come out and stop all motorsport. My club has cancelled all events and meetings for three months but potentially for longer. I am surprised there are a few wanting to continue.
Just this minute issued:

https://www.motorsportuk.org/motorsp...vid-19-update/

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Just had this from MUK:

Motorsport UK COVID-19 Update
It is with regret that Motorsport UK is suspending all organising permits and Certificates of Exemption until at least 30th April 2020. This suspension follows the latest guidance issued by HM UK Government in response to the outbreak of COVID-19. This position will be constantly reviewed given prevailing information.

As the National Governing Body, we would ask all Motorsport UK members to act responsibly and follow the Government’s guidance during this difficult time.
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Motorsport UK have just put out an email stopping all events
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