specials

ss_collins · 26 Dec 2002, 23:09 (Ref:457868)

I'm working on a project on unique competition cars - specials, any discipline, must be british based. Any ideas?
The cars must be unique and interesting.

alfasud · 27 Dec 2002, 01:36 (Ref:457918)

What do you mean by British based? The example I'm thinking of in rallying, is Andrew Burton's Peugeot 306 Cosworth. Now a Peugeot isn't a British car, but I assume Cosworth conversion was.
http://www.webcon.co.uk/alpha/306_cosworth.htm

mickj · 27 Dec 2002, 05:23 (Ref:457958)

alfasud
Andrew Burtons car is 1 I would like to see. His other car was a Alfasud coupe fitted with a Ferrari v8.

alfasud · 27 Dec 2002, 05:59 (Ref:457971)

So that Alfasud Sprint was his? I didn't know that - thanks for the info. I'd heard about the car, but didn't know who ran it.

zork · 27 Dec 2002, 07:58 (Ref:457987)

i beleive the cosworth engine he used was an old unit from the opel calibre dtm/itc cars 2.5 v6

egor · 27 Dec 2002, 09:10 (Ref:458024)

Quote:

What do you mean by British based? The example I'm thinking of in rallying, is Andrew Burton's Peugeot 306 Cosworth. Now a Peugeot isn't a British car, but I assume Cosworth conversion was.

Was'nt it fitted with a 6R4 V64 engine first, and besides that it is totaly space framed like the old 205T16, the only thing you can link this with France is the shape of the body shell.

Same goes for will Gollops Peugeot 306 rallycross car another interesting car with a lot of potential, and British.

I think both of these cars were featured in Cars and Car Conversions a few years back.

ss_collins · 27 Dec 2002, 12:59 (Ref:458140)

British based means based in britain - ie not kept abroad.

ss_collins · 27 Dec 2002, 15:54 (Ref:458250)

Does anyone have contact info for these cars? the cars must compete in britain.

egor · 27 Dec 2002, 15:56 (Ref:458252)

Another rallycross car I'm affraid, but John Cross had built and was running a 4 wheel drive turbo cosworth Fiesta in the mid ninties. It was a bit of a tool, mostly running cossy bits I think.
He spent a lot of his time running in europe, I had a chat with him I think in 95 at Valkensvard in Holland, nice chap.

Barrie · 27 Dec 2002, 19:40 (Ref:458373)

John Cross Fiesta wasnt unique though. Former British Rallycross champ Steve Mundy had one with same spec, and Belgian Jos Sterkens had an identical one.

Barrie · 27 Dec 2002, 19:46 (Ref:458380)

Will Gollops new Ford Focus is unique at moment and built in GB with 650bhp zetec engine, As was John Welchs Vauxhall Astra supercar in the early nineties.

M Coupe · 28 Dec 2002, 16:53 (Ref:458956)

Another picture of Andy Burtons car.

Originally it was classified as a Peugeot 306R4. I remember him taking part in the Mid Wales Stages in 1997 and it was called this. (Still got the results somewhere, we were in the Historic event in a 998cc Mini Cooper).

Current car spec is I.T.C Cosworth V6 2500cc 24 valve engine which can run at up to 12,000RPM 4WD, 7 spd sequential gearbox.

There is a site set up by a fan HERE

M Coupe · 28 Dec 2002, 16:59 (Ref:458958)

Been having a look around the web and is this John Welch's old car?
PICTURE

(The picture was a bit too big)

Tattoo · 29 Dec 2002, 12:09 (Ref:459454)

M Coupe

Not sure if that is John Welch's actual car, but it is certainly one of the 4WD Astra's that Vauxhall built.

I believe they only built a couple of these, one of which was sold to John Welch, Vauxhall Heritage Centre displayed one of these at the Vauxhall show at Billing Aquadrome in the summer

429CJ · 29 Dec 2002, 17:00 (Ref:459599)

Isn't they making Peugeots in Britain? In the old Rootes factories?

Dave Brand · 29 Dec 2002, 19:25 (Ref:459671)

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Originally posted by 429CJ
Isn't they making Peugeots in Britain? In the old Rootes factories?

Yes - my 405 was built there. Currently the factory, at Ryton-on-Dunsmore, is building the 206.

egor · 31 Dec 2002, 08:36 (Ref:460753)

There is a 4x4 Corsa rally car knocking around somewhere, if I remember an Irish guy built it to see if it could be done and what it would be like.

ss_collins · 31 Dec 2002, 12:23 (Ref:460852)

please try and find some pics of these cars

SJ Spode · 2 Jan 2003, 12:50 (Ref:461980)

On the 2002 Dukeries Rally in addition to the Peugeot Cosworth there were

46 Daniel Beckham Leigh Gray Ford Fiesta RWD and 66 Stephen Humphreys Paul Chislett Ford Ka 4X4

A picture of the later is in the gallery at http://www.britishrally.co.uk/pictur...srally2002.asp

ss_collins · 2 Jan 2003, 13:44 (Ref:462039)

I was at longcross in september for my clubs rally, there was a toyota starlet cosworth there does anyone know more about this car?

SJ Spode · 3 Jan 2003, 13:13 (Ref:462720)

If you look down the event results for 2002 at http://www.britishrally.co.uk/results/index.asp you'll see some more RWD versions of FWD cars being rallied

KA · 3 Jan 2003, 15:39 (Ref:462803)

Quote:

Originally posted by Tattoo
M Coupe

Not sure if that is John Welch's actual car, but it is certainly one of the 4WD Astra's that Vauxhall built.

I believe they only built a couple of these, one of which was sold to John Welch, Vauxhall Heritage Centre displayed one of these at the Vauxhall show at Billing Aquadrome in the summer

This is the actual John Welch car:

http://www.motorsportgallery.net/ima...ly/VAU001R.jpg
http://www.motorsportgallery.net/ima...ly/WEL001R.jpg

The car in M Coupe's photo looks as if it's the one of the other cars (anyone know how many there actually were?)

Rallycross has produced some incredible 'one-offs'- Terry Briggs' mid -engined spaceframe Audi TT from 2001 comes to mind- mid-engined, (using I believe a Nissan 2-litre turbo.....) or a personal favourite, John Sampson's rwd V8 -powered Rover 200 from a few years back

Barrie · 3 Jan 2003, 16:28 (Ref:462842)

There were 2, first one was a Opel Kadett, then the Vauxhall Astra, the pics you have KA are the Kadett. British built but driven by Norwegian Arild Martinsen was the brutal BMW M3 Xtrac, 900bhp try an find a pic. Sampson's Rover was a cracker, had a TR8 engine.

ss_collins · 4 Jan 2003, 00:28 (Ref:463257)

does anyone know where these cars are now?

Barrie · 4 Jan 2003, 11:11 (Ref:463438)

I no Welchy used parts off the Kadett to build the Astra. Then when he quit rallycross it was bought by Swede Tommy Kristofferson so he could put the xtrac equipment on his Audi Quattro. John Sampsons trying to sell his Rover at present, same with Briggs and his TT. Last thing I heard about Martinsens M3 it was being used for hill climbs. Best way to find info on these cars, www.rallycrossuk.com or european website www.rallycross.de.

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