WTCC Macau thread - Page 4

mac · 21 Nov 2005, 00:16 (Ref:1466029)

A couple of great drives by Zanardi:

27th to 13th in Race One
13th to 4th in Race Two

Sodemo · 21 Nov 2005, 01:32 (Ref:1466056)

I thought DH crashed into Giovanardi early in the race, and then the suspension failure occured later because of it...?

kmchow · 21 Nov 2005, 06:42 (Ref:1466162)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valker

So, according to MST Timing's qualification results, Poon, Takeutsi, Lo and Ao were disqualified. Are those drivers allowed to partisipate the race? IMO Poon, Takeutsi and Ao should be allowed because Takeustsi and Poon weren't that much slower than ATCC pole sitter Scharmach and Ao didn't get any kind of time... But Lo was outside of 110% of Priaulx's pole time so in my opinion he shouldn't be at the grid.

That's a shame all the local drivers except for Couto were excluded from racing? Surely having local drivers makes the race more interesting for the locals? OTOH, should pacemarkers be racing?

Should the FIA loosen up like Nascar which allows for special exemptions at times for those who qualify outside the 110% requirement?

kmchow · 21 Nov 2005, 06:43 (Ref:1466164)

Though it was cool to see 26 cars (over 20+ full S2000 spec) on the grid? I don't think a Macau Guia touring car event has ever had this many cars racing in it?

Monkey Head · 21 Nov 2005, 07:31 (Ref:1466180)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmchow

That's a shame all the local drivers except for Couto were excluded from racing? Surely having local drivers makes the race more interesting for the locals? OTOH, should pacemarkers be racing?

Should the FIA loosen up like Nascar which allows for special exemptions at times for those who qualify outside the 110% requirement?

in fact i am confused why the 107% time gap only have 8 sec

alfan · 21 Nov 2005, 17:26 (Ref:1466655)

Quote:

Originally Posted by E46

Was it a world championship in 2004?

Whooops

Alfa Fan · 21 Nov 2005, 17:28 (Ref:1466657)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmchow

Though it was cool to see 26 cars (over 20+ full S2000 spec) on the grid? I don't think a Macau Guia touring car event has ever had this many cars racing in it?

It was the smallest grid for years.

**FIRE** · 21 Nov 2005, 17:35 (Ref:1466664)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfa Fan

It was the smallest grid for years.

Probably because only S2000 cars which are FIA homologated were allowed.

Valker · 21 Nov 2005, 17:50 (Ref:1466671)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

Probably because only S2000 cars which are FIA homologated were allowed.

Actually, I don't think Altezza is FIA homologated.

redshoes · 21 Nov 2005, 18:13 (Ref:1466684)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmchow

Should the FIA loosen up like Nascar which allows for special exemptions at times for those who qualify outside the 110% requirement?

Such exemptions already exist. If a driver has a mechanical problem or accident which means that he fails to set a representative time the team can appeal to the Clerk of the Course. If successful the driver is allowed to start from the back of the grid. The Stewards usually look for evidence that the driver would have been capable of qualifying, usually by looking at free practice or recent testing times.

That rule has been any number of times in the BTCC and with the one-lap qualifying in F1 now at almost every Grand Prix this year.

The important point is that it is at the stewards' discression. Had it been Priaulx or one of the Mullers that broke down after only 1 lap then I don't doubt they would have been let in. The 3 local guys (actually 4, one didn't set a time at all) are a different story. All 3 managed 8-10 laps in Qualifying, and the same in Free Practice but never came anywhere near setting a suitable time. In such a situation would it have been safe to let in 3 back-markers who were significantly slower than anyone else.

Valker · 21 Nov 2005, 18:27 (Ref:1466691)

Quote:

Originally Posted by redshoes

That rule has been any number of times in the BTCC and with the one-lap qualifying in F1 now at almost every Grand Prix this year.

There wasn't 107% rule in F1 sporting regulations this year so there was no use for any kind of exemptions. I guess it was used last time in 2002 season.

arashi · 21 Nov 2005, 19:10 (Ref:1466727)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

congrats to Duncan Huisman . 5th win in 6 years .. not bad

..

I think it's his 4th win in 5 years.
It was his brother Patrick who won in 2000.

**FIRE** · 21 Nov 2005, 19:29 (Ref:1466748)

Duncan:
2000 (?)
2001 (victory)
2002 (victory)
2003 (victory)
2004 (DNF)
2005 (race 1: 6st, race 2: victory)

**Dani Filth** · 21 Nov 2005, 19:46 (Ref:1466765)

Quote:

Originally Posted by arashi

I think it's his 4th win in 5 years.
It was his brother Patrick who won in 2000.

ups

.
my mistake

arashi · 21 Nov 2005, 19:48 (Ref:1466766)

I was there watching in 2000.
Double DNFs for Duncan, while Patrick & Engstler dominated.

wi11iamm · 21 Nov 2005, 22:54 (Ref:1466963)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani Filth

slightly offtopic .. but is there a photo with andy driving the Pilbeam that he won the hillclimb championship ??

http://www.marshalspost.com/images/tmp/bigtQay2W.jpg

Not a picture of Andy, however this is a picture of a Pilbeam MP58. The same chassis he used to win the championship in 1995. This one fitted with a Judd EV whilst he used Cosworth DFV.

Will

Asa · 22 Nov 2005, 03:37 (Ref:1467083)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkey Head

in fact i am confused why the 107% time gap only have 8 sec

Priaulx's pole time was 2:31.712. Multiply this by 1.07 and you get 2:42.331. It is 10 seconds plus. Poon, Takeuchi and Lo all set times slower than this. They all asked to start at the back but the stewards ruled that there was no "exceptional circumstances" in this case. €5,000 entry fee down the drain plus all the other expenses...

Monkey Head · 22 Nov 2005, 04:13 (Ref:1467085)

Quote:

Originally Posted by arashi

I was there watching in 2000.
Double DNFs for Duncan, while Patrick & Engstler dominated.

engslter is excluded later while a new battery added and sprad water on the road surface

Monkey Head · 27 Nov 2005, 03:55 (Ref:1471091)

one of magazine have shown the pile up of race 2:

redshoes · 29 Nov 2005, 13:34 (Ref:1472955)

Chevrolet have now withdrawn the appeal against Menu's disqualification. Oddly the basis of the appeal was not that the race was extended but down to accident damage in race 1.

“When Alain hit the Armco in the first race, the shock dislocated the electrical contact with the potentiometer, which activated the safe-mode of the electronics box which in turn allowed for a richer air-fuel mixture in order to cool the second Lambda. This then caused the higher fuel consumption, with the results we know,” Chevrolet Europe’s Motorsport Manager, Eric Nève explained.

ATF · 29 Nov 2005, 15:13 (Ref:1473050)

That is odd, except if they used the excuse of race 2 being longer, no-one else had that problem!!!

Hazard · 29 Nov 2005, 18:25 (Ref:1473217)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATF

That is odd, except if they used the excuse of race 2 being longer, no-one else had that problem!!!

Just because everyone else over fuelled doesn't make it Chevrolets fault - though there must be some reason why they didn't use this reason.

Plus, I don't think all cars are inspected post race...just some top finishers and selected others.

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