Bunnings Trade Sydney SuperNight 2021 Supercars Race 20, 21 and 22

[Mixer]

I think it was an obvious clanger when you slow down so much (against the regulations) that 2 cars pass you, and one is your team mate.

But procedurally I don't know how it is supposed to work.

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[ford71]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Sorry to disturb the peace and quiet in here, but I finally got round to watching the weekends racing.

Got to say, I'm a big fan of the new "mid-race" review of a penalty. Just interested in why they brought in new rules all of a sudden?

I can't recall a reversal during a race, let alone such a quick response.
Karma sorted it out efficiently enough.
Would any other team have managed this? Probably not. It is little wonder so many people consider there is a bias toward Team 888.
WAU had their front row converted to a rear row start for questionable evidence of a tech breach, how is it a team like that couldn't argue a reversal? Race wasn't underway so time was on their side. I can't imagine they just accepted the decision - they seemed confident as to how it occurred.

EDIT - Just read the speecafe article on the WAU penalty - I was unaware of some detail, but doesn't change the top half of my post. Anton is restarting in front of Giz, he needs to hold speed +/- 5kmh before the line...how Giz can be sure he fell under that tolerance while driving at speed in the rain at night, I'm not sure, another one of his superpowers I guess.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Fair dinkum. It's completely unreasonable to race in the rain at night.

These types of decisions are not in line with responsible conduct of racing. There'd be some "highly credentialed" people within the motor racing industry that have forgotten how dangerous it is.

[bathurst77]

they race at le mans in rain
bright overhead lights, head and tail lights and professional drivers
i dont see a problem

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

they race at le mans in rain
bright overhead lights, head and tail lights and professional drivers
i dont see a problem

*cough* Dunlop wets *cough*

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

*cough* Dunlop wets *cough*

Exactly. Supercars do not have a true wet, which makes it all the more impressive

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Exactly. Supercars do not have a true wet, which makes it all the more impressive

And guess what… it’s raining again…

[Sandgroper]

Will Brown. Still a positive jet no matter what GTR has to say.

Im sure Cam would be p1ssed

WHo the fk would want to drive for BJR, Jack Smith should depart the scene, he is um unskilled but well financed.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

they race at le mans in rain
bright overhead lights, head and tail lights and professional drivers
i dont see a problem

This was a good point when I read it while lurking yesterday.

The only thing I'll say is that I think racing during the night and rain is unique to Le Mans/24 Hours races. It's unavoidable and you have the leeway to be really conservative under those conditions.

Conventional sprint racing is done during the afternoon. Night racing is a novelty.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Also, red-flagging the race was a foreseeable outcome. Therefore the fact the race was allowed to go ahead to a poor reflection on Schenken/race control.

Iirc, Schenken once brought out the safety car at SMP due to some stray, out of the way debris. So he's really just making it up as he goes along and shouldn't be a steward.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Will Brown. Still a positive jet no matter what GTR has to say.

Wasnt aware opinions werent allowed.

Mr Brown drove today as well at a level similar to 888 had its driver management performing badly..

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Jack Smith should depart the scene, he is um unskilled but well financed.

Is he? And why are you picking on him for being well financed? Two thirds of the grid are well financed.

[ford71]

Jack Smith deserves to be called out.
He looks like he doesn't want to be there, terrible attitude

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by ford71

Jack Smith deserves to be called out.
He looks like he doesn't want to be there, terrible attitude

Thats the vibe i get and his results speak for themselves.

[GTRMagic]

I liked Mr Whincup's attitude... not just rolling over and dying because he is almost finished his full time career. It actually mattered to him. You can hear it in his radio comms, in the interviews after the race, and in the body language

Now THAT is the attitude of a racing driver.

None of this cruise and collect mentality.

You can argue the team order defiance isnt a good look in public
Except the #97 couldnt get past without bashing into the #88.

If you are faster... show it... dont cry to the team you cant get past on skill...

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

If you are faster... show it... dont cry to the team you cant get past on skill...

True that. That's why I was astonished when Mostert was crying that Heimgartner is blocking him... I was even more bewildered when Andre copped a warning for this. Since when defending your position is against the rules?

As for Smith, have the same feeling. He's hopeless on the track and seems completely uninterested about his own career. I'm surprised where this attitude comes from, lots of (much better) boys would love to be in his position...

[TWRv12]

Black sheep out of the dog house? DR vaxed?
https://twitter.com/Auto_Action/stat...02934104555521

https://www.motorsport.com/v8superca...ydney/6792917/

[Mixer]

Geez they were silly for not letting Matt Campbell drive.

And really I thought you needed to wait 2 weeks after the 2nd shot to be considered fully vaccinated, that's what the border rules say.

Given DR's issues with mental health and performance, I'm going to be interested to see how he goes.

[Alan52]

Rain forecast for night race Saturday.Hope we don’t get the same red flag finish.
Even more rain for Sunday but the combination of spray and glare from the lights won’t be there so less likelihood of a wash out.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Still not the biggest attendance Brown has raced in front of at Eastern Creek.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Geez they were silly for not letting Matt Campbell drive.

I agree but it’s a Supercars own goal. They can’t have it both ways, if they don’t want main drivers teaming up in the enduros, then you can’t have Matt Campbell driving one car this week and another car next week.

Time to let teams pair anyone they like at Bathurst from 2022? We do have new owners after all….

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by one five five

Time to let teams pair anyone they like at Bathurst from 2022? We do have new owners after all….

Cant wait for 888 to win everything again with 2 serious aces in the lead car, and the second for cannon fodder... while the rest of the field whinges at the top of their lungs that 888 must have an unfair advantage...

[GTRMagic]

An observation..
Why does the ARDC want to waste state government money building a workshop et al for a commercial operation, when the state of the surface of most of the Eastern Creek circuit, and the drainage on and around the circuit, is so fundamentally poor?

Puddle and rivers are spoken of in every wet session, cars fall off the road as traction is compromised by tens of thousands of litres of water wobbling across the road surface.

It continues to annoy me when the anti-street track folks say we should be investing in permanent circuits, when we have the opportunity and government funds to do so, and clearly cannot be bothered..

Yes the Dunlop wet in Supercar is suboptimal.. and so is the circuit..!

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

An observation..
Why does the ARDC want to waste state government money building a workshop et al for a commercial operation, when the state of the surface of most of the Eastern Creek circuit, and the drainage on and around the circuit, is so fundamentally poor?

Puddle and rivers are spoken of in every wet session, cars fall off the road as traction is compromised by tens of thousands of litres of water wobbling across the road surface.

It continues to annoy me when the anti-street track folks say we should be investing in permanent circuits, when we have the opportunity and government funds to do so, and clearly cannot be bothered..

Yes the Dunlop wet in Supercar is suboptimal.. and so is the circuit..!

Send out the Trans-am cars to entertain the crowd who have paid good money to watch a race.

[GTRMagic]

Game over. Thanks for coming