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9 Oct 2022, 14:26 (Ref:4129482) | #51 | ||
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So congrats to Max, WDC for the second time and back yo back. After the race was over, I thought that was it and the championship decider would be at COTA.
I had to go out after the chequered flag, got back home a few minutes ago to discover he had been awarded full points and it was game over. Apparently the FIA are saying reduced points are only applied if a suspended race can not be resumed. |
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I haven’t seen. What went on with full/half points thing?
Was it under 75% distance? |
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Regarding the FIA's decision to award full points, because reduced points are only applied if a suspended race can not be resumed, Andrew Benson wrote in his live report, 11:06: ''it seems that this protocol was inadvertently left out of the rules when they were rewritten over last winter following the controversial Belgian Grand Prix, when a result was declared despite no racing taking place.'' https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/formula1/58920165 |
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So it was 28 laps, should have been 53.
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Full points were awarded. "the FIA said that reduced points only applied if a suspended race could not be resumed." This scenario was not included in the recent rewrite. |
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Seems that they really don’t like the half points thing anymore. Although I am still not fully following. Aren’t we column 3? |
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9 Oct 2022, 15:25 (Ref:4129504) | #61 | ||
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Just watching it now…the penalty to chuck puts Max on top for the title. He’s clearly the best driver out there right now!
Congrats Max! Odd post race interviews as everyone figured out what had happened. i love that nothing is ever normal with this sport! |
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Props to championship chair!
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because I didn’t watch the race I’m not quite sure what you’re on about.
So they suspended the race, resumed it and the suspended it again it? So that’s why it was OK? Yeah. I’ll wait till there is a decent summary in a race report not from just after the race. Whatever this is still relevant |
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It was not suspended again, it ran to the full time allocated and was more than half distance. |
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Or, yes that is pretty much it! They did stop it restart it and then stop it again before full distance! Wasn’t a bad guess.
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So when people are referring to the bit in the rules that were left out by mistake it is something to do with a race been called due to one of the time rules rather than just stopping? |
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Lets see if we can clear this up.
A race of 53 laps or 2 hour race clock within a 3 hour duration limit. The Race clock and the 3 hour duration clocks both start at the same time (lights out). Graded points is where a race is stopped and unable to be resumed within the above time frame. In this case the race clock was stopped with the red flag, but once it synced with the 3 hour duration clock, it re-started The race was resumed and ran to a completion of the 2 hour race clock, hence the checkered flag. As the rules are written, this results in full race points. Was it an omission on the FIA's part not to have the distance covered points grading included for this scenario... yes/no/maybe .... We will know for sure on the release of next seasons rules. |
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9 Oct 2022, 16:09 (Ref:4129519) | #69 | ||
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Less than 75% distance should be half points. But they've only written in about the race being suspended causing the shortened distance, and negated the part about the race running to time causing the shortened distance (which was there in the pre-Spa re-write). So what F1 has done is technically correct, but is not what was intended. This is why neither Red Bull or Max really understood they were champions - because under the old rules they wouldn't be, and under the intention of the new rules, wouldn't be, but are because nobody caught the limited wording. Using the current rules you can actually still create a Spa situation by suspending the race after 1 lap, then allowing it to go back to SC with 2 minutes before the 3 hour limit, and you'd get full points because the race was not suspended again - thus creating the same situation it was trying to avoid last year. |
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If anyone was confused by the points, they should have followed the Sky coverage. Crofty just wouldn't shut up about the points permutations, so no way to miss it there.
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Congraulations to Max for the win. Congratulations to the whole team for a great effort. Their car is obviously extremely efficient and the drag is obviously perfect. Let's now just hope the bozos at FIA can manage to handle the finance thing correctly as well.
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So once again the title is decided by a dubious decision. I don't see how Leclerc gained an advantage since Checo closed up again. At least though this wasn't the last race, so Max would still have claimed the title anyway. We knew it was coming
Seems the FIA maybe didn't make the teams aware enough about all the red flag rule changes at the beginning of the season. Could have done without this confusion The tractor on the track wasn't ideal, but Gasly shouldn't have been going that fast, especially with double waved yellows. So he deserves his share of the blame too Great race by some further down. Both Alpines, especially Gasly was on it. Great to see Vettel in the points and nice to see Latifi get a couple after changing tyres at the right time and keeping a sensible head after that. Imagine though if Mick's tyre gamble had worked though? |
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