petronas and F1???

bingman · 25 Jul 2005, 16:50 (Ref:1363058)

hi i was just wondering if anyone knows anything about what petronas plans to do for next year in terms of their involvement in f1... Now that Sauber is turning into BMW i'm sure Petronas can't be involved with BMW as i thought they have a direct involvement with Castrol through both f1 and their road cars...

Xpunk75 · 25 Jul 2005, 17:34 (Ref:1363101)

Maybe they should buy Minardi from Paul Stoddart, since anyone could do a better job then him.

Kicking-back · 25 Jul 2005, 17:55 (Ref:1363111)

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Originally Posted by Xpunk75

Maybe they should buy Minardi from Paul Stoddart, since anyone could do a better job then him.

Ron Dennis believes Minardi under Stoddart is the "most efficient team in F1" for what they do with what they have.

Xpunk75 · 25 Jul 2005, 18:39 (Ref:1363136)

But what they have is not enough so theirs no point in running. The should sell the team too someone who has money and can be just as efficent but compettive. You do a sport to compete not be efficent. Efficenency is a trait or attribute that needs to be complimented by other things to be succesful in F1 and if your last every time except if someone has a break down or an accident then your not really competeing at the sport of racing.

Do you get what im trying to say Kicking Back?

WapFlap · 25 Jul 2005, 18:47 (Ref:1363151)

There will always be a back of the grid team, and Minardi is there for over 20 years now, so leave them there!

Xpunk75 · 25 Jul 2005, 18:51 (Ref:1363153)

Well we come to think of back grid teams as developmental teams for young drivers, but Minardi does not bring in the best drivers into the sport anymore it brings the Richest and I think thats hurting F1 in terms of not getting the best talent they can get because drivers with more money get the early drives over them. If minardi could support them selves with out having to rely so much on the money the driver brings like they were able to back in the day then I wouldn't have as much problem with them as I do now.

But your right their will always be a back of the grid team, but do they have to be four seconds of the pace?

esorniloc · 25 Jul 2005, 19:17 (Ref:1363167)

Castrol sponsored Williams in 97 when they ran Renault power. 3 years before the BMW power came.

**Adam43** · 25 Jul 2005, 19:38 (Ref:1363183)

Please can we stick to bingman's thread topic. Quite what Stoddart/minardi have to do with this I don't know!

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Originally Posted by bingman

hi i was just wondering if anyone knows anything about what petronas plans to do for next year in terms of their involvement in f1... Now that Sauber is turning into BMW i'm sure Petronas can't be involved with BMW as i thought they have a direct involvement with Castrol through both f1 and their road cars...

bingman, I don't know the answer but I assumed that Petronas was linked to Williams and not BMW. I may be wrong. When chosing between Heidfeld or Pizzonia wasn't it assumed that Heidfeld was BMW's preferred choice and Pizzonia Petronas'?

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Originally Posted by esorniloc

Castrol sponsored Williams in 97 when they ran Renault power. 3 years before the BMW power came.

That was an interesting situation because of Renault's previous alliance with Elf.

Kicking-back · 25 Jul 2005, 20:01 (Ref:1363203)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

bingman, I don't know the answer but I assumed that Petronas was linked to Williams and not BMW. I may be wrong. When chosing between Heidfeld or Pizzonia wasn't it assumed that Heidfeld was BMW's preferred choice and Pizzonia Petronas'?

No

That's Petrobras, the Brazilian fuel company.

Petronas is a Malaysian company and have sponsored Sauber since 1996/7.

**Adam43** · 25 Jul 2005, 20:17 (Ref:1363217)

Of course.

ooops, being a tool there. Anyway I was right about them and BMW not being related.

I guess they can still be involved. BMW will want decent sponsorship and Petronas could still be a partner. As far as I am aware BMW aren't tied to any similar company.

Dixie Flatline · 25 Jul 2005, 23:29 (Ref:1363359)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

No

That's Petrobras, the Brazilian fuel company.

Petronas is a Malaysian company and have sponsored Sauber since 1996/7.

... and by sponsoring, Petronas effectively pays Ferrari for its engines to stick in the back of the Saubers.

Hence, my thought that since BMW won't need Petronas' money to pay for the engines, if Sir Frank is quick enough, he should get on the phone to Petronas and ask them for a sponsorship package to pay for Cosworth engines.

I think F1 Racing (the magazine, not the website) estimated Petronas' contribution at approximately US$28 million, so that's a hefty chunk of change that might be sitting still waiting for somebody to come in and grab it.

**Adam43** · 26 Jul 2005, 08:58 (Ref:1363573)

I'm sure that $28million would be very useful to BMW too.

bingman · 26 Jul 2005, 13:43 (Ref:1363798)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I'm sure that $28million would be very useful to BMW too.

yes but although Castrol was involved with Williams before BMW came onboard i'm pretty sure they are now directly linked with BMW as i think they are the official oil of all new BMW road cars and also involved in other BMW motorsports things such as all the Formula BMW series and BMW touring cars.... I think BMW/ Petronas partnership will be very unlikely due to this... and i know Petronas put a lot of effort into their F1 program in terms of promotion back in malaysia so it would be odd to see them bail out of F1...

429CJ · 26 Jul 2005, 17:29 (Ref:1363946)

One possibility is Petronas teaming up with Red Bull, they don't seem to have any petroleum product sponsor.

Marbot · 26 Jul 2005, 18:04 (Ref:1363964)

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Originally Posted by 429CJ

One possibility is Petronas teaming up with Red Bull, they don't seem to have any petroleum product sponsor.

Wouldn't Ferrari want all their V8s to run on Shell fuels?

bingman · 26 Jul 2005, 18:54 (Ref:1364006)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

Wouldn't Ferrari want all their V8s to run on Shell fuels?

didn't seem to bother them for the past few years with sauber... thats if they are re-badging the engines again i guess

Marbot · 26 Jul 2005, 19:02 (Ref:1364013)

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Originally Posted by bingman

didn't seem to bother them for the past few years with sauber... thats if they are re-badging the engines again i guess

Next year it will be the RedBull Ferrari team.

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