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Old 11 Jun 2017, 22:20 (Ref:3740353)   #101
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Mclaren seat will probably be open for 2018 so who takes it?. Alonso saying "if not capable of winning by september" - not sure if this was meant to motivate Honda, or flat out admission that he will leave Mclaren.

It really seams like F1 is losing drivers with above average talent faster than they can bring them into the sport....
Aging Raikkonen, Hulkenberg stuck in midfield cars, Alonso probably to run a season of indycar.

No offense but I want a grid full of Hamiltons, Vettels, Verstappens, Alonsos in peak form not the Ricciardo, Bottas, Kyvat, Palmers. These other guys are talented to give them credit, but not at the same level.
if it's only one seat at Mclaren, it'll likely be Button back in. he's reportedly the only with a contract with Mclaren for 2018
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Old 11 Jun 2017, 23:13 (Ref:3740358)   #102
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If he's able to compete, Renault would be mad not to snap up Kubica in place of Palmer (sorry, Jo).
I see a path for Kubica back to a competitive ride. A seat at Renault and excellent performances that he had in his last stint as an F1 driver and he could be in contention for a seat a Mercedes, Ferrari, a resurgent Renault team, or a resurgent Mclaren!

If Kubica has any dreams of F1, he has to push for the the Renault seat for 2018.
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No offense but I want a grid full of Hamiltons, Vettels, Verstappens, Alonsos in peak form not the Ricciardo, Bottas, Kyvat, Palmers. These other guys are talented to give them credit, but not at the same level.
Ricciardo? Not at the same level? Seriously??

The Hamiltons, Vettels, Vestappens and Alonsos all have said Ricciardo is one of the best competitios they have driven with. Alonso even said Ricciardo was the best driver currently on the grid. Credit where credit is due, but to say Ricciardo is not at the same level as the others you mentioned is just daft.
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if it's only one seat at Mclaren, it'll likely be Button back in. he's reportedly the only with a contract with Mclaren for 2018
While I suspect that may have been the initial plan, I don't see Button returning. I miss Button in F1, part of me hopes I am wrong, but based upon some of his comments to the press at Monaco, I think he has clearly moved on from F1. Also given the doubt to the ability for Honda to resolve things for the 2018 season, McLaren is better off saving their money and not looking for top drivers IMHO. At least for 2018.

My guess is that in general Honda will make some improvements, but not to the point that McLaren wants. And that McLaren will be stuck with Honda for 2018. If Honda and McLaren part ways before 2018, it will be the result of substantial backroom deal making including saving face for many who are involved (reminiscent of the musical chairs triggered by Rosberg leaving Mercedes) . And I suspect Alonso will leave F1 at the end of this season unless a drive opens up at Mercedes, Ferrari or maybe Red Bull. Or... He could stay with McLaren, but only if Honda somehow amazingly recovers during this season (doubtful).

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While I suspect that may have been the initial plan, I don't see Button returning. I miss Button in F1, part of me hopes I am wrong, but based upon some of his comments to the press at Monaco, I think he has clearly moved on from F1. Also given the doubt to the ability for Honda to resolve things for the 2018 season, McLaren is better off saving their money and not looking for top drivers IMHO. At least for 2018.

My guess is that in general Honda will make some improvements, but not to the point that McLaren wants. And that McLaren will be stuck with Honda for 2018. If Honda and McLaren part ways before 2018, it will be the result of substantial backroom deal making including saving face for many who are involved (reminiscent of the musical chairs triggered by Rosberg leaving Mercedes) . And I suspect Alonso will leave F1 at the end of this season unless a drive opens up at Mercedes, Ferrari or maybe Red Bull. Or... He could stay with McLaren, but only if Honda somehow amazingly recovers during this season (doubtful).

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JB may be tempted back into the McLaren if the Honda lump is to be replaced by the Mercedes. Things worked out quite well for him the last time that happened...
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Old 12 Jun 2017, 16:32 (Ref:3740563)   #106
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Let's be serious about this for a moment. Is Kubica physically capable of driving an F1 car? Open question, thoughts (ideally informed) please.
The question I would ask, is whether Kubica is capable of getting out of the car in the required time, given his arm injury. As has been said it's one thing testing but to comply with the FIA race regs ??
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are the race regs vs testing regs in regards to driver fitness/health really that much different?
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JB may be tempted back into the McLaren if the Honda lump is to be replaced by the Mercedes. Things worked out quite well for him the last time that happened...
Quite a bit would be required to make that happen. And if that actually happened, why would Alonso leave?

See this article regarding what Jenson thinks about 2018...

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...-my-time-in-f1

I suspect the only way we will see Jenson back in the F1 championship is if somehow Alonso walks before the end of the 2017 season. I think the ONLY thing that might tempt him back is a TOP ride. And if that seat was to open up, wouldn't you think Alonso would be first pick?

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What private testing regs are they then?
I think this is a rhetorical question, but I believe the answer is... no regulations??? If the car isn't regulated by current testing limits, it's just like any other old race car. You rent a track and then stuff anyone you want inside it.

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Ricciardo? Not at the same level? Seriously??

The Hamiltons, Vettels, Vestappens and Alonsos all have said Ricciardo is one of the best competitios they have driven with. Alonso even said Ricciardo was the best driver currently on the grid. Credit where credit is due, but to say Ricciardo is not at the same level as the others you mentioned is just daft.
I think it's ultimately a subjective thing. I am not being daft...

Certain drivers stand out constantly, and others do not.

Hamilton stands out in the Mercedes this year. Verstappen in the red bull, Vettel in the Ferrari. I don't feel like I'm clutching at straws when I make those statements. Those drivers have always stood out whether it was Vettel winning Monza in a Toro Rosso. Hamilton was making Alonso go crazy, and Verstappen won on debut with Red bull and the dramatic drive in Brazil. Certain drivers just have a star studded resume of unlikely finishes, dramatic starts, supreme comeback drives and for me those drivers are Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton, Verstappen. It's not a knock on anyone else, just noticing that certain drivers stand out for what they have achieved in the sport more than others.
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I think it's ultimately a subjective thing. I am not being daft...

Certain drivers stand out constantly, and others do not.

Hamilton stands out in the Mercedes this year. Verstappen in the red bull, Vettel in the Ferrari. I don't feel like I'm clutching at straws when I make those statements. Those drivers have always stood out whether it was Vettel winning Monza in a Toro Rosso. Hamilton was making Alonso go crazy, and Verstappen won on debut with Red bull and the dramatic drive in Brazil. Certain drivers just have a star studded resume of unlikely finishes, dramatic starts, supreme comeback drives and for me those drivers are Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton, Verstappen. It's not a knock on anyone else, just noticing that certain drivers stand out for what they have achieved in the sport more than others.
Or putting it another way; drivers who one can see doing something spectacular at any time in any conditions to make something happen?

You see even then some of these stars have off days, and quite big ones!

That's the thing with Alonso. He never seem to have them. Senna never did, Prost never did.

Vettel has to have the car to his tastes to get the max out (he has with this years Ferrari undoubtedly), Hamilton can seem totally lost on occasion and Max, well i'm not sure he's reached his limitations yet.

Even Schumacher at the height of his powers had inexplicable race weekends where he wasn't in the frame (rare I know!)
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Quite a bit would be required to make that happen. And if that actually happened, why would Alonso leave?

See this article regarding what Jenson thinks about 2018...

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...-my-time-in-f1

I suspect the only way we will see Jenson back in the F1 championship is if somehow Alonso walks before the end of the 2017 season. I think the ONLY thing that might tempt him back is a TOP ride. And if that seat was to open up, wouldn't you think Alonso would be first pick?

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let's face it mate, you were born that way.
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That's the thing with Alonso. He never seem to have them.
Perhaps not in your mind. I can certainly remember him having a few moments (Fuji 07 was it? Japan 12, Silverstone 11 qually, before the red flags salvaged his dignity, and Brazil 12 when he even held up Marussias - although to his credit these weren't exactly off days in the entirety, but some pretty disastrous few minutes - but also bearing in mind I can hardly remember his early career, when the errors are more likely to have occurred)

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Perhaps not in your mind. I can certainly remember him having a few moments (Fuji 07 was it? Japan 12, Silverstone 11 qually, before the red flags salvaged his dignity, and Brazil 12 when he even held up Marussias - although to his credit these weren't exactly off days in the entirety, but some pretty disastrous few minutes - but also bearing in mind I can hardly remember his early career, when the errors are more likely to have occurred)

Even the greatest make mistakes. Perhaps we tend to only remember what we want to though...
He crashed a bit early in in the Minardi but he was trying very hard.

The only real off day that i can think of that meant anything (sorry if i appear to dismiss your examples) is the end of 2010. Petrov gate!

But yes i agree no driver is perfect and they cannot be on it all the time but golly Alonso never seems to be restrained by the ability of his car, he always takes it as far as he can go wheras others seem to take it as far as it will go.
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He crashed a bit early in in the Minardi but he was trying very hard.

The only real off day that i can think of that meant anything (sorry if i appear to dismiss your examples) is the end of 2010. Petrov gate!

But yes i agree no driver is perfect and they cannot be on it all the time but golly Alonso never seems to be restrained by the ability of his car, he always takes it as far as he can go wheras others seem to take it as far as it will go.
That sir! is a fantastic way of summing up different drivers abilities! Well done
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Ricciardo? Not at the same level? Seriously??

The Hamiltons, Vettels, Vestappens and Alonsos all have said Ricciardo is one of the best competitios they have driven with. Alonso even said Ricciardo was the best driver currently on the grid. Credit where credit is due, but to say Ricciardo is not at the same level as the others you mentioned is just daft.
I know this is a silly way to compare them, but I remember when ricciardo went on top gear and drove the track in the same dinky car they put all the f1 drivers in. He was over a second faster than all of them, Hamilton included.
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