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Old 1 Jul 2021, 14:14 (Ref:4059174)   #1
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Old 2 Jul 2021, 08:47 (Ref:4059309)   #2
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There was for last season - this seems like as good a place as any for this seasons discussion

I didn't catch any of the first round but I did notice that this season some of the cars are being run by different teams rather than all being controlled centrally. Presumably that means that drivers are staying in the same chassis this season - previously they swapped cars for each event.

With W Series now being on the F1 support bill do you think we'll see more W Series drivers being given roles in F1 teams? Jess Hawkins now has a role with Aston Martin, is Jamie Chadwick still with Williams? Will other teams pick up W Series drivers? It could make sense - that way teams have extra interest for sponsors over the course of the weekend in terms of on track action and can make use of the W Series driver during the F1 sessions for hosting sponsors and explaining the ins and outs of F1 to them. Will we see a Red Bull liveried W Series car at some point for example?
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Old 2 Jul 2021, 18:48 (Ref:4059410)   #3
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I did notice that this season some of the cars are being run by different teams rather than all being controlled centrally. Presumably that means that drivers are staying in the same chassis this season - previously they swapped cars for each event.
The team element is a bit contrived. All the cars are still tun centrally, however, some sponsors get a couple of cars branded and race under the sponsors name. As such they're not really teams in the conventional sense.
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Old 4 Jul 2021, 09:33 (Ref:4059682)   #4
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The team element is a bit contrived. All the cars are still tun centrally, however, some sponsors get a couple of cars branded and race under the sponsors name. As such they're not really teams in the conventional sense.
Are there any actual sponsors? Or just silly made up names?
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Old 3 Jul 2021, 11:02 (Ref:4059529)   #5
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TWith W Series now being on the F1 support bill do you think we'll see more W Series drivers being given roles in F1 teams? Jess Hawkins now has a role with Aston Martin, is Jamie Chadwick still with Williams? Will other teams pick up W Series drivers? It could make sense - that way teams have extra interest for sponsors over the course of the weekend in terms of on track action and can make use of the W Series driver during the F1 sessions for hosting sponsors and explaining the ins and outs of F1 to them. Will we see a Red Bull liveried W Series car at some point for example?
in my mind, it's a short term marketing exercise. and i'm kind of surprised every f1 team hasn't seen the merit of having a female driver on their books. they don't have to be beating all the boys hands down. that's not what participation and representation is about.

that said, looking at the group photo, it's still a total sausage fest on the off-track side. it still feels uncomfortable to be forcing gender segregation. f1 is doing a much better job of sharing women's stories as part of the workforce, but i guess w series isn't about the entire female experience in the sport.
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Old 2 Jul 2021, 09:59 (Ref:4059318)   #6
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My lad had a weekend off from sportscars to help with a W Series car at the RB Ring last weekend. I'm not sure who was pedalling but I think he said she finished third after starting ninth. He was very enthusiastic about the experience and was asked if he would come back again....
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My lad had a weekend off from sportscars to help with a W Series car at the RB Ring last weekend. I'm not sure who was pedalling but I think he said she finished third after starting ninth. He was very enthusiastic about the experience and was asked if he would come back again....
Sounds cool? He's getting some varied experience then?
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Old 3 Jul 2021, 08:28 (Ref:4059500)   #8
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Old 4 Jul 2021, 09:12 (Ref:4059679)   #9
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I can't understand the business model as to how it is funded, as the organisation provide the cars and back up and there are no main sponsors I can see. I do find it a bit sexist that the interview pre race are invariably done with the girls wearing their tight fitting Nomex under suits. In other series drivers have their race suits pulled up so their sponsorship logos can be seen. The top girls like Jamie Chadwick would hold their own against the guys.
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The top girls like Jamie Chadwick would hold their own against the guys.
Based on 2020 (and earlier), she is miles off.
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the business model isn't really something they discuss beyond saying they have it covered. as long as driver expenses are being covered and people are getting paid on time, i'm happy with that explanation.

but the entire concept is outdated by about a decade, fifteen years in terms of its place in trying to break down the good old motorsport patriarchy. and even though the concept is outdated, the vast majority of technical staff are male which is really interesting in terms of clashes of progress.

to me, beth paretta's indycar project is far, FAR more significant in its effect on female participation in the sport. it's not simply using us as marketing tools. she's operating within a male space, competing against men, in the same context, and she has an almost entirely female staff doing so. she doesn't use a silly little twee marketing concept to talk about it either.

to contrast that with f1, you couldn't run a f1 car purely with female staff, even if you drew people from all the teams. you couldn't do it in gt, you couldn't do it in endurance although both are getting closer than f1 from what i see.

so why are we obsessed with getting women into driving when the real investment needs to be literally from year dot - the moment society teaches little girls that it's icky to play in the dirt is the moment we've lost the game.
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Old 6 Jul 2021, 19:06 (Ref:4060203)   #12
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the bigger prize may be increasing the size of the viewing audience?

because this race came on right after F1 and i had kept the TV on, my eight year old niece accidently saw it and went from thinking motorsports was stupid to watching the full session and the post race podium celebration.

i doubt very much this changed her future life goals or anything but she did ask me if we can go karting after.

at the least motorsports may have earned a new fan that they otherwise would not have.

maybe its how/when it gets broadcast here but smart move placing it after the F1 session. having F1 coverage as your lead in is a better way to get eyeballs on it. dont understand why F2 didnt do this.
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It did, W Series has the time slot on the weekend that F2 uses for one of its 3 races a weekend.
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