[WEC] LMP Future Regulations (was Le Mans EVO rules - now hypercar rules)

[LC2guy]

This seems to be on multiple threads Ayse, not surprising as it's exciting news, but should it be amalgamated onto one thread ? Already making my plans for 23 !!!

[SnoodyMcFlude]

Originally Posted by Ferrari333SP

Wow! Finally! Ferrari returns!

Please call it the 333SPH

SPH might not be the finest moniker

[chernaudi]

I do sort of hope that this may cause Audi and Porsche to change their mind on LMH vs LMDH, though I highly doubt it.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by LC2guy

This seems to be on multiple threads Ayse, not surprising as it's exciting news, but should it be amalgamated onto one thread ? Already making my plans for 23 !!!

Yes indeed, I thought that earlier, but there was already such a proliferation of posts in about 4-5 threads that it was too much of a headache to do it. I'll start a new thread.

Edit. I see Mike has already done it. All Ferrari comments to the new thread please.

https://www.tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155948

[joeb]

DSC has an update on the BOP of hypercars.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...w-lexicon.html

Besides the known Alpine test with the lmp2, it seems Toyota may have also had some on track running with a P2 car.

Also some significant sim work with the toyota and Glick lead to an additional 10kg for the Toyota.

[joeb]

DSC has an update on the BOP of hypercars.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...w-lexicon.html

Besides the known Alpine test with the lmp2, it seems Toyota may have also had some on track running with a P2 car.

Also some significant sim work with the toyota and Glick lead to an additional 10kg for the Toyota.

[Mike E]

As expected, the spec tyre element of LMP2 is an important part of their speed reduction. Worse traction, less lateral grip, longer braking distances...

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Mike E

As expected, the spec tyre element of LMP2 is an important part of their speed reduction. Worse traction, less lateral grip, longer braking distances...

I know the reduction in hypercar lap times was intended to decrease costs, but if the cars are all ballasted right now to make that 1030kg, it won't cost more to take weight out of the cars would it?

Then you might not need to adjust P2 as much? Or am i missing something?

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by Mike E

As expected, the spec tyre element of LMP2 is an important part of their speed reduction. Worse traction, less lateral grip, longer braking distances...

However...

Tyre plan dropped, bigger power cut, low drag bodywork only and a 20kg weight gain.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...-bodywork.html

[Akrapovic]

I think making a complete arse of regulations should now be called "doing an ACO"

Because they'd absolutely ACO'd this.

[Mike E]

It's not very elegant

[Mike E]

Just knock 50kg off the Hypercars, please.

[Koenigsegg]

Originally Posted by Mike E

However...

Tyre plan dropped, bigger power cut, low drag bodywork only and a 20kg weight gain.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...-bodywork.html

I'm quite sure that's an April Fool's Day joke. DSC makes a very believable joke every year.

[Graham Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Koenigsegg

I'm quite sure that's an April Fool's Day joke. DSC makes a very believable joke every year.

Very sadly not this year - it's entirely true - story now includes the later ACO statement

[Koenigsegg]

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Very sadly not this year - it's entirely true - story now includes the later ACO statement

Damn

I wouldn't have thought Goodyear saying the driveability of their tires is unacceptable.

[carbsmith]

The joke was any racing series thinking a Goodyear single supplier tire deal was a good idea.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Mike E

Just knock 50kg off the Hypercars, please.

The entire Hypercar regulation thing is a mess. The weight limit increase was for a cars engine that isn't even going to enter now.

It's not like the LMP1s had to be that expensive to achieve the speeds they were doing either. The R13 unleashed could lap as far as the TS050.

It's just generally a mess. And now we're going right back to having LMP2s and GTEs being far too close in top speed. Which is something the ACO managed to get away from with the last generation of LMP2s, which was excellent.

[Mike E]

The low drag bodywork should help with top speeds at least.
Looking for the positives here...

[Mike E]

Racing Team Nederland not sounding that impressed

https://twitter.com/RacingTeamNL/sta...524195329?s=19

[gsmith2424]

With the power decrease and weight increase the LMP'2 and GTE's at LM are going to be I'd say with in 10-15 seconds a lap at LeMans of each other and the back marker LMP2's barely beating GTE's and in some cases slower. So now will the ACO/FIA slow the GTE's if that is the case. On another thought could we see an exodus of LMP2 teams from the WEC to say IMSA or change classes if they want to continue on that course with how they are slowing LMP2.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Mike E

The low drag bodywork should help with top speeds at least.

Looking for the positives here...

I actually thought the higher top speed with the low drag body work would make it more of an issue for the hyper cars to get past on the straight.

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by joeb

I actually thought the higher top speed with the low drag body work would make it more of an issue for the hyper cars to get past on the straight.

I was thinking of LMP2 getting past the GTs

[carbsmith]

Even before this a full time 670hp Hypercar with the bodywork they have to use at Le Mans was never going to have trouble at the top end with with a 560hp LMP2 car even if those ran their low drag kit. Now that it's a 530hp LMP2 car carrying extra weight, pffft.

[WyldStallion]

Originally Posted by Mike E

I was thinking of LMP2 getting past the GTs

I don't mind the LMP2 slowing down myself. Speed gap between prototypes and GTs was getting too big. Never see the problem of inter-class mixing. Makes things interesting. Look at GTLM/LMP3/GTD in IMSA in the florida endurance races. No major issues. The biggest 2 or more car incidents involved cars in the same class.

[truebeliever]

Originally Posted by gsmith2424

With the power decrease and weight increase the LMP'2 and GTE's at LM are going to be I'd say with in 10-15 seconds a lap at LeMans of each other and the back marker LMP2's barely beating GTE's and in some cases slower. So now will the ACO/FIA slow the GTE's if that is the case. On another thought could we see an exodus of LMP2 teams from the WEC to say IMSA or change classes if they want to continue on that course with how they are slowing LMP2.

I am completely baffled at the ineptitude of the ACO to NOT be able to get things right in their regulations!!!!

LMP2''WAS'' an excellent class, in both the WEC and ELMS. The cars were quick, the engines were fast and reliable. So ''WHY'' change something that is working well you may ask yourself?

The answer does not take alot of figuring out really. Having created their new premier??........Hypercar class for Toyota, the regulations then ensure that the Hypercars, will not really be that quick. Solution by the ACO, slow down the LMP2 so as to not allow them to compete and intrude into the Hypercar limelight!!!

Wonderful idea!!!! Now take the forced power cut + weight increase for the P2 cars and see how that works out? In the WEC, no problem, so long as they can stay ahead of the GT cars, if not, BOP the GT cars so they can. Another wonderful idea!!

So explain how this is going to work in the ELMS??

P3 cars currently put out 460 BHP (343 KW) and weigh 950 kg.

2021 P2 cars will put out 533 BHP (397 KW) and weigh 950 kg. That is not alot of difference.

Unlike the WEC, P2 do race in the same field as P3 in the ELMS. I can very easily see, the quicker of the P3 cars, being quicker than the slower of the P2 cars! So what will the ACO do then I wonder??

Hmmmm, let me think. Great idea!!!! Reduce the power of the P3 cars and add more weight????

I believe my opening sentence sums the ACO up. Clowns!! So occupied with kiss assing the OEM's, they forget about the core teams that keep them in business when the OEM gravy train goes away!