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#25 WAU - Chaz Mostert - Commodore | 1 | 2.04% | |
#4 JSR - Jack Smith - Commodore | 1 | 2.04% | |
#5 Tickford - Lee Holdsworth - Mustang | 0 | 0% | |
#6 Tickford - Cam Waters - Mustang | 2 | 4.08% | |
#7 KR - Andre Heimgartner - Mustang | 0 | 0% | |
#8 BJR - Nick Percat - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#9 Erebus - David Reynolds - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#12 DJRTP - Fabian Coulthard - Mustang | 0 | 0% | |
#14 BJR - Todd Hazelwood - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#15 KR - Rick Kelly - Mustang | 0 | 0% | |
#17 DJRTP - Scott McLaughlin - Mustang | 25 | 51.02% | |
#18 Team18 - Mark Winterbottom - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#19 Team Sydney - James Courtney - Commodore | 1 | 2.04% | |
#3 TBR - Macauley Jones - Commodore | 1 | 2.04% | |
#2 WAU - Bryce Fullwood - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#23 23Red - Will Davison - Mustang | 0 | 0% | |
#34 MSR - Zane Goddard/Jake Kostecki - Commodore | 1 | 2.04% | |
#35 MSR - Garry Jacobson - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#55 Tickford - Jack Le Brocq - Mustang | 0 | 0% | |
#20 Team18 - Scott Pye - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#88 RBHRT - Jamie Whincup - Commodore | 5 | 10.20% | |
#22 Team Sydney - Chris Pither - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
#97 RBHRT - Shane Van Gisbergen - Commodore | 12 | 24.49% | |
#99 Erebus - Anton de Pasquale - Commodore | 0 | 0% | |
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16 Oct 2019, 00:06 (Ref:3934815) | #501 | ||
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Interesting that the Supercheap merch was on special at the Tickford tent, 30% off everything...
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Anyway, off my horse. Designing a good independant suspension (for a race car) is difficult and I have only seen a handful of people in Australia that really understand it. Anyone can design one, but whether it works or not is another matter altogether. When I was in racing I saw a great many 'professionally designed' cars that had it wrong, some by a long way. On one car I moved 1 pickup point 3mm and turned the car from a dog to a multi championship winning car. |
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16 Oct 2019, 04:29 (Ref:3934844) | #504 | ||
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If you can afford to build a thousand different variations and test them all out, it's going to cost big money. Big money you can attempt to recoup by selling them to your competitors, or at least the version before the one you've currently settled on. If you want to design your own instead of buying one off the shelf, and you get it slightly wrong, you're nowhere. You're nowhere because so much of the rest of the car is controlled, and then you've boxed yourself into a corner with one of the few parts you can change. |
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16 Oct 2019, 11:26 (Ref:3934936) | #505 | ||
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16 Oct 2019, 13:45 (Ref:3934964) | #506 | |||
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Now that you have, it may be possible for that number to be reduced although from memory part of the reason to go to 7 was the smaller tanks on COTF and E85 not having the same range as the unleaded used previously (although I may be a little out on what happened in which year). |
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16 Oct 2019, 23:48 (Ref:3935078) | #509 | ||
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Farewell! Indeed. If you are an importer (which they all are now) there is no way in heck you pick Supercars over TCR. TCR is just a so much more cost effective version of touring car racing, and hopefully TCR's media profile will build over the years. If you are a Renault, Honda or Peugeot for example, you don't sell a car with a V8 engine, but you do sell a hot hatchback. Why would you pick Supercars over TCR? |
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17 Oct 2019, 00:07 (Ref:3935081) | #510 | |
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17 Oct 2019, 01:16 (Ref:3935090) | #511 | |
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Better ROI putting your name on a footy jersey.
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17 Oct 2019, 02:12 (Ref:3935092) | #512 | ||
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How I miss the Australian newspaper listing how many minutes each car featured on the Bathurst telecast and how much that equated to buying that air time.
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17 Oct 2019, 05:07 (Ref:3935100) | #513 | |
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I see. But don't you suppose the investment asked by Supercars to develop the prerequiste V6 twin-turbo Honda Accord (as Realtime Racing did for the more lucrative USA market from Acura TSX below) is excessive...
V6 twin turbo TLX drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYLcfZY8L0I When compared to the far more reasonable cost of purchasing some ready-designed works vehicles from Honda gurus JAS Motorsport (be they NSX GT3 or Civic TCR)? Is it not logical that Honda Australia (and other importers) therefore vote with their marketing budget to choose the (far) more cost effective category? The cost of entering Supercars is not that much of a problem if there is a suitable ROI, but the return on investment of Supercars is seemingly rather unsatisfactory too... If it was a suitably attractive commercial proposition surely many of the importers that sell vehicles in Australia would be banging on the door to enter the Supercars series!? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 17 Oct 2019 at 05:13. |
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This is certainly true. Why would you risk spending upwards of 3 or 4m AUD to enter a turbocharged Skoda Superb in the Supercars series with no guarantee of winning championship or Bathurst, when the ROI of putting a Skoda logo on a football jersey is far superior.
It is a travesty that the glorious green and white colours of Skoda are unlikely to grace a Supercar in the near future. Who is a Skoda enthusiast hanging on the fence at a Supercars meeting supposed to cheer on!? They could, I suppose, cheer on their Volkswagen or Audi stablemates -- but they aren't in the darn Supercars series either... Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 17 Oct 2019 at 05:29. |
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17 Oct 2019, 05:40 (Ref:3935102) | #515 | |
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Don't (good) deals in motorsport last longer and offer more engagement with supporters based around the fact that the manufacturer (or supplier) usually has product engaged in the process and not just money? Or atleast has more on the line than a logo on a jumper. I remember the Skodas that used to run in the WRC over here in West Aus and thing well of them for having a go, despite them not being ultimately succesful. Do I have that view of them sponsoring a jumper of a rugby league team. Well no. |
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17 Oct 2019, 10:25 (Ref:3935144) | #517 | ||
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SO SURELY Andre will run the Kelly second car ??????
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Renault upped their commitment to a sausage roll and a Dare Ice Coffee. Subaru are probably the only real manufacturer involved, with an actual factory affiliated driver, but their car is so bad not even the Kelly's will run it... |
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It is another on the list with their lack of sponsors problem and lack of entries problem... |
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You would think it a no brainer really.... the guy has talent no doubts, but depending on what backing the team get/have got, they may have the need for a driver with backing.... I hope not for he surely deserves a seat over others. Having said that I will be sad to see Simona go.
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18 Oct 2019, 10:58 (Ref:3935393) | #523 | ||
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Any bets on whether it is Ms De Silvestro in the second Team18 car for next season?
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So where too now for:
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