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18 May 2019, 18:08 (Ref:3904537) | #1701 | |
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Or a nice payout. Contracts are contracts.
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20 May 2019, 05:18 (Ref:3904796) | #1702 | |
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Freddie Allen out of Indy because McLaren unprepared!
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ms/3670736002/ Who would have thunk. McLaren disprepared it's unpossible! (Joke Jim) |
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20 May 2019, 10:27 (Ref:3904838) | #1703 | |
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Tried to win Indy on the cheap and faceplanted.
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Hmm, was that the real reason? Will be interesting to find out. I'm somewhat sad because of all the racers past and present that deserve to equal Graham Hill's title it's him and Senna. What it does demonstrate is even with the reliability and technology in use today the triple is still extremely difficult to achieve.
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20 May 2019, 11:31 (Ref:3904846) | #1705 | |
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Of course JPM only needs to win LM to do it
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20 May 2019, 11:40 (Ref:3904848) | #1706 | ||
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Indeed but I don't put him in the same category as the others I mentioned.
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I’ll agree to disagree on that one. He’s a proper racer who’s not afraid to give it a go. As well as the fact he speaks his mind
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Don't get me started on JPM, I'll simply say that I was right.
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Thanks EB, the cheque is in the post.
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20 May 2019, 16:22 (Ref:3904907) | #1711 | ||
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I don't doubt you are correct but it would be good to get some corroboration. I thought they'd been planning this for some time.
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20 May 2019, 16:56 (Ref:3904912) | #1713 | |
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They had been - but I believe they only did a single test with the car on an oval. Alonso crashed that car during the week and they reverted to the backup, which I think was from another team? (Someone with more knowledge will correct me if I'm wrong). That car was primarily a road course car.
During the final day it was pretty clear that McLaren were miles off on the setup. The car was dragging on the ground and bottoming - something that's rare at Indy. I think someone mentioned they even bought a shock/damper package from Andretti to try and cure their problems but they were unsuccessful. Again, someone with more knowledge will surely let us know. McLaren over-estimated their ability again. They did minimal work with the car compared to every other team. If Alonso wants to win Indy, he should drop McLaren and go full time Indy Racing with a top team. |
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Your last point is interesting. Who is hurting whom? Alonso hurting McLaren or vice a versa?
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What I don't understand, is why Zak Brown thought hooking up with Carlin was a good idea. Their experience is minimal and that's been born out by the dismal qualifying results, with only one car on the grid.
Why did they bother to test at TMS? TMS and IMS are completely different tracks. Someone really didn't think this one through. It would behoove Zak Brown, to start making overtures to some of the top teams. |
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If you look at Carlin's results: only Kimball in, their 2 other own cars out, and Alonso out as well, they weren't prepared either. Quote:
I'm not sure if Penske is interested in adding a one-off car for someone else than Helio. He didn't want to do it for JPM either (who is still running for his team in IMSA) Apart from Penske, only Andretti seems like a good option. Ganassi is too much of a 1-man team with (good) support acts. If Alonso's really only interested in Indy, then maybe Carpenter? -- EDIT: There's not much left of the McLaren's Indycar team anyway: Fernley has just left. |
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20 May 2019, 18:07 (Ref:3904933) | #1720 | |
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I see no reason to run a full season. The 500 is not even close to comparable to the rest of the races. He managed to qualify easily in 2017 and would have had a good shot at winning if his engine hadn't died. People forget things so easy these days, that was only two years ago!
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Another benefit is that on a full-time schedule you have a dedicated crew working on your car who you get to know, who get to know you and what you like/don't like on your car.
Also, the crew is used to working together and not just a bunch of part-time crew members from other programmes your team is running. You don't have any of those advantages if you're running an additional Indy-only car. EDIT: And if it's not only the crew as in: people working on your car, but also: the one calling the strategy, the spotter(s), ... I think it would be beneficial to have a group of people you actually work with, instead of a bunch of on-off guys. Last edited by gert; 20 May 2019 at 18:29. |
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We are way off topic, but hey, it's a slow F1 news day!
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He needs to run with a team that knows what they are doing. Assembling a team for a single race (no matter how well intentioned or even if you get qualified people)... you are giving something up to those that do it on a regular schedule as a "team". While Alonso did well in his maiden attempt, he had a well oiled machine guiding him along (which he didn't this time). He also was somewhat lucky. While his natural talent is undisputed, and he could be lucky in the future with one off races, running a full season lets him jell with a team, get more experience on oval tracks while racing the other full time drivers who will be his real competition at Indy. (I posted before I read gert's comment above, but he captured this part well) I think he is currently holding off on a full time Indy drive until he can figure if he can inject himself back into F1. I guess he is watching McLaren's 2019 progress closely. Quote:
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In what world is your engine blowing up while running in the lead group called luck? People are being way too dramatic about this in my view.
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