Formula BMW UK

Redracer77 · 6 Jun 2005, 12:35 (Ref:1321305)

The fastest laps in race 2 were very similar.....

1 Sam BIRD 47.726
2 Jordan WISE 47.600
3 Ross CURNOW 47.796
4 Dean SMITH 47.724
5 Stian SORLIE 47.775
6 Matt HOWSON 47.777
7 Oliver TURVEY 47.778
8 Simon WALKER-HANSELL 47.631
9 Dominique CAUVIN 47.692
10 Duarte FELIX daCOSTA 47.795

Why is this? Are the cars easy to drive? Are they easy to get a fast lap?

Kicking-back · 6 Jun 2005, 12:39 (Ref:1321309)

Short circuit, cars running closely is the most likely explanation

Gaz · 6 Jun 2005, 12:44 (Ref:1321315)

Well considering your good friend Mr Roberts failed to shine at all in a BMW car I wouldn't spout comments about BMW's being easy to drive now!

Think Kicking-Backs got it spot on! Its a one make formula you've got to remember as well, Formula Renault times were pretty much the same in terms of competitiveness.

Redracer77 · 6 Jun 2005, 13:11 (Ref:1321335)

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Well considering your good friend Mr Roberts failed to shine at all in a BMW car I wouldn't spout comments about BMW's being easy to drive now!

Think Kicking-Backs got it spot on! Its a one make formula you've got to remember as well, Formula Renault times were pretty much the same in terms of competitiveness.

Don't even go there Gaz. Steve entered FBMW when the rest of the Championship had done 3/4 of a season and about 20 test days pre season testing. Steve did 1 test. Bruno Senna did 14 test days before his races....

Mackmot · 6 Jun 2005, 14:23 (Ref:1321391)

To be honest I think KB and Redracer are both right. But if the field was competitive then they would have raced and not just followed.

No 4 · 6 Jun 2005, 14:34 (Ref:1321403)

For once I agree with Kicking Back and Gaz!! Short circuit, one make series and the Formula Renault reference. In last Thursday's FR test at Brands, cars 1 to 24 were covered by less than 1 second.

Redracer77 · 6 Jun 2005, 14:42 (Ref:1321409)

but that is 10 drivers covered by 1 tenth.....

Gaz · 6 Jun 2005, 14:53 (Ref:1321424)

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Originally Posted by Redracer77

Don't even go there Gaz. Steve entered FBMW when the rest of the Championship had done 3/4 of a season and about 20 test days pre season testing. Steve did 1 test. Bruno Senna did 14 test days before his races....

But if it was so easy to set a quick time then one day should have been good enough....

And then there's his Formula Ford performances this year against a criminally under strength field!

But yes, we'll leave it there!

No 4 · 6 Jun 2005, 14:57 (Ref:1321430)

I think it's called light the blue fuse and retire rapidly!!

**bella** · 6 Jun 2005, 16:18 (Ref:1321500)

bloody hell gaz, have you got pmt or something?? thats the second fight you've started and i've only read 2 threads so far! stoppit.

please lets not have the old steve roberts arguement again. it's not worth it! although having said that, redracer77's started this thread with an agenda, i'm sure.

Redracer77 · 6 Jun 2005, 16:24 (Ref:1321503)

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Originally Posted by bella

bloody hell gaz, have you got pmt or something?? thats the second fight you've started and i've only read 2 threads so far! stoppit.

please lets not have the old steve roberts arguement again. it's not worth it! although having said that, redracer77's started this thread with an agenda, i'm sure.

Like I said at the start Gaz don't go there. Talking about Steve was not the reason why I posted but I have never seen a top 10 so close. So I wanted to know if it was because FBMW has so much downforce and grip that its like driving a Scalextric.....

Ian Sowman · 6 Jun 2005, 17:41 (Ref:1321583)

A colleague of mine who works with one of the FBMW teams only bothered going on qualifying day as he didn't expect much to happen in the race. Did he miss much?

Gaz · 6 Jun 2005, 19:38 (Ref:1321685)

The races weren't bad actually considering it was Brands Indy, the second one kept interest right up until the flag as Jordan Wise was having a real go at Sam Bird but just couldn't find a way through.

Some good scraps up and down the field and considering it was Brands Indy I felt both races kept me entertained! Much more than the Snormula Renault races anyway!

foreversideways · 6 Jun 2005, 20:15 (Ref:1321723)

In some ways i agree with Red on this one except for the fact that Steve Roberts did have trouble obtaining competitive times in one. Yes he didn't manage to have much testing and i don't think anybody expected him to win straight out of the box. But he never managed to get on top of the thing. Perhaps there is a technique involved in driving them. They certainly have an aero package and slicks with little more bhp than an FF1600. I am sure they must have to be driven on rails as any sideways stuff would scrub off hard won speed. A mystery. Perhaps a test might be made available for all interested parties

Kicking-back · 6 Jun 2005, 20:23 (Ref:1321734)

I had the impression that the wings were largely cosmetic?

BillyT · 6 Jun 2005, 20:25 (Ref:1321739)

They do give some aero but not as much as FRenault

ale16 · 20 Aug 2005, 21:14 (Ref:1387151)

so, which one is better, renault or bmw?

runshaw · 20 Aug 2005, 22:50 (Ref:1387181)

I'd say its difficult to compare, FBMW is sort of a first step on the racing ladder like Formula Ford, whereas FRenault is a step up.

Zurich · 21 Aug 2005, 01:31 (Ref:1387207)

Drivers can step to F3 from BMW and do a good job. I doubt you'll see any going from BMW "up" to Renault. As for which is the most entertaining to watch, it's no contest really.

ale16 · 21 Aug 2005, 07:51 (Ref:1387258)

Yeah, guys, I agree with both of you above. My doubt is, going from karting, a driver should choose BMW (would be my option) or the "strongest" F-Renault. I also always hear that German F-BMW is a much more tough championship than British one.What do you think about it?

runshaw · 21 Aug 2005, 10:36 (Ref:1387346)

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Originally Posted by Zurich

Drivers can step to F3 from BMW and do a good job. I doubt you'll see any going from BMW "up" to Renault. As for which is the most entertaining to watch, it's no contest really.

Well drivers from BMW have stepped "up" to Renault. And yes, there is no contest which is the more exciting one, BMW all the way!!

Kicking-back · 21 Aug 2005, 11:33 (Ref:1387369)

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Originally Posted by ale16

I also always hear that German F-BMW is a much more tough championship than British one.What do you think about it?

It isn't.

**bella** · 21 Aug 2005, 12:57 (Ref:1387387)

erm, i think it is... but the driving standards are considerably lower than ours from what i've seen.

Zurich · 21 Aug 2005, 15:09 (Ref:1387513)

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Originally Posted by runshaw

Well drivers from BMW have stepped "up" to Renault. And yes, there is no contest which is the more exciting one, BMW all the way!!

James Sutton and Richard Keen stepped across to Renault, who stepped "up"?

runshaw · 21 Aug 2005, 23:50 (Ref:1387891)

Those two did! You just mentioned them yourself, what are you on about Zurich??!

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