Is Jaguar in the hunt?

eatapc · 19 Jul 2001, 19:35 (Ref:119342)

Or is this just another tease? Irvine's time is a tenth off the best time set by Ralf/Williams yesterday, so I think it's meaningful. And look at Yoong's time! Right up with Alonso. Yoong will probably make his F1 debut in Hungary.

Thursday July 19th, 2001 -- Irishman Eddie Irvine and Spaniard Pedro de la Rosa were the surprise of the third day of testing at the Monza circuit, where they topped the timesheets for the Jaguar Racing team.

Pos Driver Team-Engine Tyres Time
1. Irvine Jaguar-Cosworth (M) 1:24.100
2. de la Rosa Jaguar-Cosworth (M) 1:24.539
3. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:25.036
4. Trulli Jordan-Honda (B) 1:25.139
5. Montoya Williams-BMW (M) 1:25.335
6. Wurz McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:25.401
7. Hakkinen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:25.745
8. R.Schumacher Williams-BMW (M) 1:26.054
9. Villeneuve BAR-Honda (B) 1:26.122
10. Zonta Jordan-Honda (B) 1:26.474
11. Button Benetton-Renault (M) 1:26.685
12. Fisichella Benetton-Renault (M) 1:27.018
13. Alonso Minardi-European (M) 1:28.520
14. Yoong Minardi-European (M) 1:28.570

All Timing Unofficial

BD · 19 Jul 2001, 20:16 (Ref:119355)

Its nice to see Jaguar at the top of the time sheets, yet its meaningless because its only testing.
Its not qualifying. Not everybody is going as fast as they can.

Minardi fan · 19 Jul 2001, 23:56 (Ref:119450)

They were probably running an underweight car (just like Prost did pre-season, and Arrows the season before), or one in qualifying trim, whilst others were running race distance fuel loads etc...

Testing times really do mean very little in the overall scheme of things - and I believe Jaguar are a long way off 'the hunt'.

senna12 · 20 Jul 2001, 01:43 (Ref:119477)

As much as I would like to see Jag at the front, I think Prost proved in pre season that you can't put any stock in testing, unfortunately.

eatapc · 20 Jul 2001, 02:12 (Ref:119483)

I thought twice about starting this topic; I realize that testing times are usually meaningless to an outside observer. The reason I went ahead with it (other than the great time from Yoong) is that the Jaguars' times are quite fast on an absolute basis, not just compared to the other cars on that one day. Irvine is 3 seconds faster than his Monza test time on July 4th, and 1.25 faster than his time of the day before. They may have been in semi-qualifying trim, but Irvine ran 13 laps before a suspension failure, so he wasn't on a light fuel load.

Minardi fan speculates it may have been an underweight car. Why? What would be the point?

Maybe it's just wishful thinking and naivete, but these times may be an indication that they are finally making progress.

fastracer · 20 Jul 2001, 06:27 (Ref:119521)

Why were they on a light fuel load? Easy, they were running a qualfying set up on Irvine's car as they said that qualfying is their weakness and they need more practice. On Pedro's car he ran a practice race which meant that eventually he was on a light fuel load.

eatapc · 20 Jul 2001, 11:24 (Ref:119593)

Quote:

Originally posted by fastracer
Why were they on a light fuel load? Easy, they were running a qualfying set up on Irvine's car as they said that qualfying is their weakness and they need more practice. On Pedro's car he ran a practice race which meant that eventually he was on a light fuel load.

Actually, I asked why they would run an underweight car. But clarify something. The report I read said Irvine ran 13 laps (another now has it at 31) before a suspension failure; I assume he could have run many more (as Pedro did). Therefore he wasn't running a qualifying set up per se, because he wasn't running with a minimum of fuel on board.

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Jul 2001, 11:33 (Ref:119597)

Ah but were those laps continuous or did they run (say) four at a time?

Airhead · 20 Jul 2001, 11:33 (Ref:119598)

Thirteen laps is a long way to go if you are in qualifying trim. One more than allowed isn't it?

eatapc · 20 Jul 2001, 11:56 (Ref:119606)

Quote:

Originally posted by Peter Mallett
Ah but were those laps continuous or did they run (say) four at a time?

I'm assuming (now that's always a bad way to start a sentence) that if they had done a few at a time the reporters would have made note of that. The Speedvision report starts out "The Jaguar team raised some eyebrows along the pit lane at Monza today...." One more day of testing today, so we'll see.

eatapc · 28 Jul 2001, 01:22 (Ref:122824)

I'm not gloating (yet):

Friday July 27th, 2001 -- Full report will be added shortly...

Pos Driver Team Times
1. Irvine Jaguar Cosworth (M) 1:41.424 242.250 km/h
2. Montoya Williams BMW (M) 1:41.487 + 0.063
3. Hakkinen Mclaren Mercedes (B) 1:41.949 + 0.525
4. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:41.953 + 0.529
5. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:42.255 + 0.831
6. de la Rosa Jaguar Cosworth (M) 1:42.302 + 0.878
7. Coulthard Mclaren Mercedes (B) 1:42.304 + 0.880
8. Alesi Prost Acer (M) 1:42.828 + 1.404
9. Trulli Jordan Honda (B) 1:42.941 + 1.517
10. R.Schumacher Williams BMW (M) 1:42.987 + 1.563
11. Fisichella Benetton Renault (M) 1:43.014 + 1.590
12. Heidfeld Sauber Petronas (B) 1:43.211 + 1.787
13. Zonta Jordan Honda (B) 1:43.461 + 2.037
14. Panis BAR Honda (B) 1:43.487 + 2.063
15. Button Benetton Renault (M) 1:43.496 + 2.072
16. Raikkonen Sauber Petronas (B) 1:43.528 + 2.104
17. Villeneuve BAR Honda (B) 1:43.815 + 2.391
18. Verstappen Arrows Asiatech (B) 1:44.143 + 2.719
19. Burti Prost Acer (M) 1:44.162 + 2.738
20. Bernoldi Arrows Asiatech (B) 1:44.549 + 3.125
21. Alonso Minardi European (M) 1:44.730 + 3.306
22. Marques Minardi European (M) 1:45.005 + 3.581

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