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Old 9 Oct 2013, 12:59 (Ref:3315174)   #26
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Some better screen set ups and comparisons to multiple laps & different drivers.
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Old 18 Oct 2013, 17:37 (Ref:3319519)   #27
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I do agree in 100% what Neel is saying but for me if application is motrosport not road tuning, pectel strategies are lot better .
paddle shift work perfectly
pit speed limiter - there is no way to make is on motec smooth like on pectel
FBW -great throttle control or for example gear shift cut..
but all of this take a long time to properly set .
i would say to get engine running on motec is one day on pectel you have to spend 3 days but will be running perfectly..
Unfortunately support is really not there user manual almost non existing software wise recently Toolcal get better but i always have descpro as backup ..
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Old 2 Nov 2013, 23:31 (Ref:3326425)   #28
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I do agree in 100% what Neel is saying but for me if application is motrosport not road tuning, pectel strategies are lot better .
paddle shift work perfectly
pit speed limiter - there is no way to make is on motec smooth like on pectel
FBW -great throttle control or for example gear shift cut..
but all of this take a long time to properly set .
i would say to get engine running on motec is one day on pectel you have to spend 3 days but will be running perfectly..
Unfortunately support is really not there user manual almost non existing software wise recently Toolcal get better but i always have descpro as backup ..
I run Toolcal 3.4 now exclusively, its faultless.
Though when I was using a not so good laptop I too could only use descproW without fear of it doign odd things.
The Toolcal interface is just super! I have used everything out there and this is simply the best. I run about 10 different worksheets and its so simple and fast to get what you need to know. Takes a bit of work to set it all up, but once done nothing comes close to it.

Pectel = winning.
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Old 3 Nov 2013, 17:43 (Ref:3326626)   #29
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Got any screen shots of toolcal, interested in what I am missing out on?
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Old 4 Nov 2013, 21:32 (Ref:3327219)   #30
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Got any screen shots of toolcal, interested in what I am missing out on?
Here you go, some pics of mapping of a 13B engine. Also show some tuning tools I developed to help the task.















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Old 6 Nov 2013, 10:42 (Ref:3327936)   #31
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These are some more of Toolbox Professional off my new bespoke laptop dedicated for this work, much better than my old IBM 'stinkpad!'

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Old 6 Nov 2013, 21:31 (Ref:3328235)   #32
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Looks good.
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Old 13 Nov 2013, 10:37 (Ref:3330768)   #33
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Cool pics, so what's the go with your bespoke laptop??
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Old 14 Nov 2013, 09:54 (Ref:3331170)   #34
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Cool pics, so what's the go with your bespoke laptop??
Probably wrong word to use mate, but its 'dedicated' for this work only, set up for the job and its just fantastic.... its got a load of ram sdd, great screen.
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Old 14 Nov 2013, 22:44 (Ref:3331507)   #35
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I'm just about to get a new laptop..
but i'm using quite often serial comms and latest ones are useless..
usb to serial sometimes is causing problems PCIMCA no longer in use.. Express card slot as well..
to be honest don't know what to do..
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Old 15 Nov 2013, 01:46 (Ref:3331576)   #36
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I'm just about to get a new laptop..
but i'm using quite often serial comms and latest ones are useless..
usb to serial sometimes is causing problems PCIMCA no longer in use.. Express card slot as well..
to be honest don't know what to do..
I got a Dell (on the suggestion from the engineer who advises me from Cosworth) E6430 i5
It has the EC card slot and for the CF cards I use a simple $7.50 USB to CF reader (works great) for my stuff I still use a serial port with (for me its two other current ECU's @ work) I have a USB to serial convertor and it works perfectly.... even on this Windows 7 Professional.



I am computer illiterate! but this machine is great 'touch wood' its been faultless and works with everything I do and ask of it, battery life is outstanding! (averages more than 10 hours).

Here is shot of my desktop and applications I run on it (most all car related on right side)



Hope this helps?
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Old 15 Nov 2013, 02:17 (Ref:3331582)   #37
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More stuff I wanted to add above


p.s. Wanted to add the new laptop inspired me to organize and clean up all of my files! now its all sorted and backed up each week, here is one list of spread sheets I made up to help mapping the Pectel and also used to analysis on a whole heap of different and interesting engines.


One is of an 'interesting' old engine which I have dyno sheets for!!! and the other showing other sheets of engines tested and how these can be used to populate the Pectel main fuel map vastly cutting down guess work and 'suck it and see' 'hobby tunning' efforts.





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Old 15 Nov 2013, 07:40 (Ref:3331633)   #38
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heh i've almost ordered that one but when i configured all the stuff summary price was bit scary so I've decided to do some research but look like i need to get this one ..

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Old 15 Nov 2013, 08:37 (Ref:3331651)   #39
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heh i've almost ordered that one but when i configured all the stuff summary price was bit scary so I've decided to do some research but look like i need to get this one ..

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I got mine from E-bay, second hand (though it was just like new really), it was $520 to my door.......... very happy, got it off an IT bloke who set it up for me too, real nice bloke. Still took me about 2 solid weeks to bring everything over and organize myself (horrid calamity of files EVERYWHERE! collected over years!).

In contrast I ordered another E6430 (as new unit *advertised that way*) and it was a total turd weeks of crap to get refund back from paypal but it all worked out in the end. Summary it can be a lottery getting a good used one.
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Old 15 Nov 2013, 13:54 (Ref:3331729)   #40
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Why do the developers in the Race/Car industry insist on using serial ports?
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Old 16 Nov 2013, 23:40 (Ref:3332357)   #41
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I don't think I've used a serial port for a decade.

That said, using a serial port removes the extra bits required by the FTDI circuitry that would make it on board USB. Cost, maybe? It's really not a complexity issue as it's only one more small IC.
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Old 25 Nov 2013, 00:29 (Ref:3336287)   #42
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RICE RACING, if you don't mind me asking. How did you get DescProW working on windows 7?
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Old 25 Nov 2013, 07:33 (Ref:3336374)   #43
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RICE RACING, if you don't mind me asking. How did you get DescProW working on windows 7?
What I do is run it under vmware player on windows. Or wine on linux.
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Old 25 Nov 2013, 11:53 (Ref:3336461)   #44
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RICE RACING, if you don't mind me asking. How did you get DescProW working on windows 7?
For me I did not have to do anything, it just works. However on the MQ12 there is a known problem that if you have programmed the unit with Caltool then try to get into it with the older DescProW then it comes up with funny symbols and asks for a password (even if none are set).
For me I gave up using the old software and only use Caltool now, I was only using the older DescProW because of the constant crashes with Caltool on an older PC, with the new PC I listed above I have used it for over a hundred hours or more and never ever had one issue or the slightest hint of one.

Best advice is get a good PC, mine was dirt cheap and worth every cent! once you get that sorted you will never use the old software again anyway. The Caltool is much much better.
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Old 26 Nov 2013, 01:02 (Ref:3336798)   #45
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Dennis,
I have tried to use the Windows virtual XP but every time I go to open Desc I get a fatal error message....

Rice,
Yep I am very aware of the back and forth issues between Caltool and Desc (was also a problem with the SQ6/M as well). But sometimes you have an old map that needs opening or an ECU that has older firmware since Caltool doesnt have metafiles that support anything before firmware version 2.53.... so its nice to have it. What build version of Desc do you have? Is your laptop 32bit or 64bit?
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Old 26 Nov 2013, 07:00 (Ref:3336843)   #46
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Dennis,
I have tried to use the Windows virtual XP but every time I go to open Desc I get a fatal error message....

Rice,
Yep I am very aware of the back and forth issues between Caltool and Desc (was also a problem with the SQ6/M as well). But sometimes you have an old map that needs opening or an ECU that has older firmware since Caltool doesnt have metafiles that support anything before firmware version 2.53.... so its nice to have it. What build version of Desc do you have? Is your laptop 32bit or 64bit?
3.11 (build 51) is the version I have.

My lap top is 64bit.
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Old 26 Nov 2013, 20:19 (Ref:3337114)   #47
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I am running DescProW 3.8 Build 48 on Windows XP running under VMware Player 3.01.

Works perfectly.

Also runs OK under Wine for any Linux/Mac types out there.

For info, VMware Player is free. I use it lot for trying stuff, dead handy little toy to have lying around.

One tip....get a Serial to USB device with settable COM ports....saves a lot of swearing!

What error are you getting?
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Old 2 Dec 2013, 14:28 (Ref:3339273)   #48
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Desc wont run on 64 bit .. windows 7 32 bit yes..
virtual xp not always working properly there is some problems with communications..
Once you used cal tool you need to restart ecu to have a possibility to use it with desc pro ..if not there will be some "funny" signs ect..........
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Old 20 Dec 2013, 04:28 (Ref:3346187)   #49
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These are new shots of the set up on my Cosworth OMEGA ICD and some pages I use at moment













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Old 20 Dec 2013, 21:36 (Ref:3346433)   #50
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http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/cinema/pi_toolbox.avi Video I took of Toolbox analysis
Hosted on a friends page showing more about Pectel etc > he has a land speed Harley FWIW > http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/sq6m_pectel.html
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