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Old 25 Jun 2003, 21:18 (Ref:643116)   #1
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Atmo WRC engines in 2006

http://www.worldrallynews.com/cgi-bi...6545477,14142,

Could be air restricted 2.5 V6s to limit power to 300-350BHP region, or more likely IMO 2l 4 cylinder engines with no restrictors, and maybe a 10,000rpm limit.

These engines would be able to produce about 330-340 BHP max. without the need for restrictors, with only very small, insignificant bhp gains able to be made, unlike unrestricted turbos who can increase power enourmously with devlopment.

Whatever the formula, high revving atmo engines, in 4wd WRC cars should be awsome.

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Old 25 Jun 2003, 22:28 (Ref:643177)   #2
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Lame! Great way to jack up the costs even further!
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Old 25 Jun 2003, 22:41 (Ref:643192)   #3
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Lame! Great way to jack up the costs even further!
Why would it!

The new regs/format have been designed to reduce cost significantly.

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It's going to cost a lot more to get a 4-banger revving to 10k than it does to build a good turbo engine.

And how the hell are they going to wedge V6s into these tiny cars?

Not to mention that under rules like that, even the rally-inspired cars on the road won't have decent engines anymore.
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Lee is right about the cost. Revs cost money which is why most formulae have rev limits. Anyway the 2 litre thing has been done with the kit car formula and that fell out of favour due to cost.
however getting V6's into those cars would not be a problem. There are a few V6 2 litres about eg mondeo STs, alfa 156 V6,VW golf/passat. Don't know why those would make the WRC any different. the big costs are in the transmissions anyway.
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I think they should leave the engine specs alone. If they want to trim costs they need to look at the other aspects of the cars as we've discussed in previous threads
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Old 28 Jun 2003, 21:36 (Ref:645643)   #7
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I'm a great fan of normally aspirated engines, but would rather see a highly developed 2 litre than a 2.5 V6. I also am a great fan of homologation and would love to see a return to a formula using production based cars.

More classes rather than fewer so that various manufacturers could gun for class wins using something that they actually build, rather than these ludicrous kits.

It would be great to see the occasional giant killer from a lower class finishing well.

It would be great to see a 2WD car giving the 4Wd lads a run on the tarmac as well. Oops, sorry, I forgot that tarmac is on the way out as well.

Lets see, cars that nobody can buy, dirt tracks, third drivers that nobody ever heard of, not sure I'll be bothering to watch in a few years...
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Old 28 Jun 2003, 22:18 (Ref:645665)   #8
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I sure will, along with the millions, and growing, wrc fanbase.

The WRCs never been better, even in the Group B days.

4wd WRC cars with the sound of a Metro 6r4 (if V6 is adopted) or Xsara F2 Kit Car (if 4 cylinder is adopted) sounds great to me.

The only thing missing from modern WRC cars is the sound, which this should address.

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I suppose that in this age of telemarketing the WRC is growing. But the rallies are getting shorter, less cars are participating, there is talk of eliminating tarmac, and certainly the ruling on number three drivers is completely absurd!

The Playstation generation who have never driven a rally will eat this **** up. In car cameras, computer generated stages with several cars running along them sure it is entertaining...

In my day one had to drive the stages to experience them. You had to hike through the woods in all kinds of weather to see the cars go by and there would be a fair variety of them. And each with its own note. I liked it better that way.

If the cars are all built to a formula, the sound will be pretty much the same for each one. Not a great improvement really. The sounds of the 8,4 and 6 cylinder engines of not that long ago at least had a bit of variety.

Production based rally would be great. Let the Subaru and Mitsubishis fight it out but maybe have some other classes with the 2wd BMWs, 2litre hatches, small sports cars and whatever compete as well. Something for every manufacturer and something for the enthusiast as well. Not a gravel based version of F1. Real cars on real roads, just like it used to be.

WRC is missing a lot more than noise!
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The only thing I miss is a 2wd rwd class. Would be great if somehow rwd cars could be incorporated into S1600.

BTW the rallies are going to be extended to 4 days.
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That is great news to hear that the rallies are to be extended to the old 4 day format. Now just to spread them out a bit and save the tarmac stages.

I'm all for RWD but only if the car comes from the factory that way.
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If rallying goes back to 4 days, will this mean hopefully the rallies will be longer kilometres wise, or just more spread out time wise?

I'm all for production based rallying as the main rally class, but normally aspirated 4,6 & 8 cylinder engines with RWD would be fantastic
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Old 29 Jun 2003, 14:05 (Ref:645976)   #13
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Lets hope for more stage distance, and longer transits as well, so that the overcrowding issues are addressed. The compact format just isn't working.

And lets go back to homolgated wings. The new ones on the Subarus are just getting a bit silly looking.
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Where and when did this 4 day rally talk originate and when would it be implemented
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They are going to stop the traditional recce and introduce the system used in some French rallies (1000 Pistes??).

The crews would practice in there rally cars in the afternoon, and compete on the stages the next morning. Scrapping the recce system means a large number of days are saved and the WRC can be increased to 16 rounds.
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