BTCC BTCC 2021 - Page 134

CroftPilgrim · 6 May 2021, 06:42 (Ref:4049968)

Quote:

Originally Posted by medius

Remember the lineup timeline was going to be

Dan C and Matt
Then Honda left
Dan C and Dan R
Then
Dan R and Flash

It's easy to see what happened and why. 3 cars had never ever been an option.

That might be how it appears based on the forum rumors etc but I suspect in reality it isn't the case.

There certainly was an intention to run 3 cars. Why else have a rant about other teams blocking it?

billy bleach · 6 May 2021, 07:07 (Ref:4049971)

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Originally Posted by CroftPilgrim

That might be how it appears based on the forum rumors etc but I suspect in reality it isn't the case.

There certainly was an intention to run 3 cars. Why else have a rant about other teams blocking it?

There was entries for sale - Amd Speedworks for one . Dynamics chose not to pay the going rate , no ones fault except theirs

mark_l · 6 May 2021, 07:33 (Ref:4049982)

If Cammish does well and BTC can't find the funding to run the car after the first round, could BTC sell the TBL to Dynamics and Cammish ends up back to TD.

Pdh · 6 May 2021, 07:43 (Ref:4049988)

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Originally Posted by mark_l

If Cammish does well and BTC can't find the funding to run the car after the first round, could BTC sell the TBL to Dynamics and Cammish ends up back to TD.

No I don’t think TBL’s can change hands during the season

Pickles · 6 May 2021, 08:00 (Ref:4049990)

'Teams may sell, gift, lease, assign or loan their TBL to other existing teams or eligible new entries on a season-long basis only, subject to the approval of TOCA as to the integrity of both recipient and transaction.'

So yea, I'd say that TBL's can't be transferred, sold, leased etc during the season. If BTC can't fill the seat they'll lose the licence. They'll be able to have another driver at Snetterton though.

AnnoyedMoose · 6 May 2021, 08:19 (Ref:4049992)

Crees pulled out for commercial reasons that aren't connected to lack of budget so that raises the question of what is going on at BTC and would the same "issue" put off other drivers? Presumably Cammish is getting this drive for free at the very least given the amount BTC are going to learn and the short notice to get anyone else in there?

Matt K · 6 May 2021, 09:11 (Ref:4050001)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_l

If Cammish does well and BTC can't find the funding to run the car after the first round, could BTC sell the TBL to Dynamics and Cammish ends up back to TD.

I'd love to see this happen but it's extremely unlikely.
Putting aside all things connected to TBLs, financing, budget, etc, there's another main obstacle - Dan has a deal in place to race Porsches this year. I doubt he can withdraw from this.

billy bleach · 6 May 2021, 11:48 (Ref:4050013)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

I'd love to see this happen but it's extremely unlikely.
Putting aside all things connected to TBLs, financing, budget, etc, there's another main obstacle - Dan has a deal in place to race Porsches this year. I doubt he can withdraw from this.

Harvey raced in Porsches and commentated on BTCC so logistically may be possible?

AnnoyedMoose · 6 May 2021, 12:06 (Ref:4050025)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Harvey raced in Porsches and commentated on BTCC so logistically may be possible?

Logistically perhaps but there's a big difference between commentating and driving. There's no way Cammish could give his best performance in both cars seeing as how radically different they are to each other.

Matt K · 6 May 2021, 12:55 (Ref:4050037)

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Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

Logistically perhaps but there's a big difference between commentating and driving. There's no way Cammish could give his best performance in both cars seeing as how radically different they are to each other.

Exactly. It's tough for drivers to have double programmes (like DTM with Formula E for example) but having a double programme which means racing in two series during one weekend is completely impossible. Cammish would contest 6 races over one weekend, seems rather crazy for me.

S griffin · 6 May 2021, 14:03 (Ref:4050058)

I'd sure some drivers would contest 6 races over a weekend if they could!

crmalcolm · 6 May 2021, 14:08 (Ref:4050062)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt K

I'd love to see this happen but it's extremely unlikely.
Putting aside all things connected to TBLs, financing, budget, etc, there's another main obstacle - Dan has a deal in place to race Porsches this year. I doubt he can withdraw from this.

Just to query this -
Dan had a deal in place to race BTCC (with Team Dynamics), and is now in Porsches. What's to stop the reverse happening?

WestHam92 · 6 May 2021, 14:11 (Ref:4050065)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Just to query this -
Dan had a deal in place to race BTCC (with Team Dynamics), and is now in Porsches. What's to stop the reverse happening?

I thought this too, although I guess it would depend on how watertight his deal for the Porsches is

crmalcolm · 6 May 2021, 14:12 (Ref:4050067)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Harvey raced in Porsches and commentated on BTCC so logistically may be possible?

A number of drivers have commented on how - during 2020 - they had a lot more time during the day with no sponsor commitments at the venue. With the corporate side of BTCC likely to return from Snetterton onward - a BTCC driver has commitments to sponsors that prevent them from having the time to race in another series on the same day.

You can't be hosting your sponsors for BTCC at the same time as driving your Porsche.

crmalcolm · 6 May 2021, 14:13 (Ref:4050069)

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Originally Posted by WestHam92

I thought this too, although I guess it would depend on how watertight his deal for the Porsches is

Money is usually good at osmosis

Matt K · 6 May 2021, 14:45 (Ref:4050075)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Just to query this -
Dan had a deal in place to race BTCC (with Team Dynamics), and is now in Porsches. What's to stop the reverse happening?

I believe the circumstances are a lot different. In case of him losing his Dynamics seat it was all about sponsors gone, TBL stuff etc. So we can assume the circumstances changed very much and there had to be some kind of clause for this.
Other way round would be more like 'I've got a deal in place but now I have a better option, I'm leaving.' Often it just doesn't work that way. But of course we can only shoot in the dark as we don't know any details of his Porsche deal and his previous deal with Dynamics.

**bella** · 6 May 2021, 14:56 (Ref:4050079)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

I'd love to see this happen but it's extremely unlikely.
Putting aside all things connected to TBLs, financing, budget, etc, there's another main obstacle - Dan has a deal in place to race Porsches this year. I doubt he can withdraw from this.

crees seemed to manage just fine

Matt K · 6 May 2021, 14:59 (Ref:4050080)

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Originally Posted by bella

crees seemed to manage just fine

True that!

However I'm not sure if we can draw parallels here, I mean, I don't know what he's up to for this year

thetool · 6 May 2021, 17:11 (Ref:4050095)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

With the corporate side of BTCC likely to return from Snetterton onward

Oulton Park and Brands Hatch maybe. Snetterton will have minimal if any. It's not even as simple as the government saying it can go ahead, big events like this with large crowds will have insurance implications.

sceptic · 6 May 2021, 19:49 (Ref:4050116)

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Originally Posted by thetool

Oulton Park and Brands Hatch maybe. Snetterton will have minimal if any. It's not even as simple as the government saying it can go ahead, big events like this with large crowds will have insurance implications.

TOCA has already told teams they can't have catering or guests at Snetterton.

Alfisti · 7 May 2021, 07:33 (Ref:4050149)

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Originally Posted by sceptic

TOCA has already told teams they can't have catering or guests at Snetterton.

That's Tim Harvey buggered then isn't it? Unless Tingrams boot is full of pasties...

sceptic · 7 May 2021, 07:51 (Ref:4050152)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

That's Tim Harvey buggered then isn't it? Unless Tingrams boot is full of pasties...

I'm sure ITV will look after him.

Pickles · 7 May 2021, 08:14 (Ref:4050155)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

That's Tim Harvey buggered then isn't it? Unless Tingrams boot is full of pasties...

There's on site catering for the teams as they aren't allowed to cook for their staff.

Sodemo · 7 May 2021, 08:26 (Ref:4050160)

Have there been any technical or BOP "recalculations" that normally are only made public through the lips of Tim Harvey during commentary, but yet seem to be common knowledge amongst some people regarding the cars?

crmalcolm · 7 May 2021, 08:51 (Ref:4050162)

Team Dynamics have 'liked' - https://twitter.com/5jhdesigns/statu...180828160?s=19

which must mean that they are switching to Volvo now that their Honda partnership has finished.

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