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Old 10 Apr 2018, 05:27 (Ref:3814577)   #1891
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I just checked the Mariantic site and was reminded of the BAR 1 Riley that was at Daytona but missed Sebring.
Someone in the Racer comments section is claiming that employees have not been paid for their work at Daytona.

His source is himself having not been paid, but he refuses to respond to any inquiries on the matter, so take it as you will.
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Old 10 Apr 2018, 08:35 (Ref:3814589)   #1892
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I agree 100%. They build a more efficient machine but don't get to use that efficiency even though endurance racing is about being efficient. The Caddy gets to use its torque and power but Mazda is not getting to use its efficiency. IMO
Unless I'm misreading the changes...

The Cadillac has the smallest fuel tank by 7 liters, so it's the one that isn't getting to use its efficiency.

Meanwhile, the Mazda just got cut back from the tied largest fuel tank, so really it was believed by the series to be one of the least efficient. Post-change is the same size as the Acura's tank, which is the second smallest.
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Old 10 Apr 2018, 16:04 (Ref:3814682)   #1893
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I just checked the Mariantic site and was reminded of the BAR 1 Riley that was at Daytona but missed Sebring. What are the odds we see that for the rest of the season? I was going to ask about the Transformers car as well, but....

Do we expect any additional P cars for any of the races this season?
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Transformers: <0%

I think United is supposed to do the NAEC with a single car, otherwise I don't see any additional prototype entries, especially not with the Euro season about to be underway.
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Old 10 Apr 2018, 17:04 (Ref:3814692)   #1894
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Unless I'm misreading the changes...

The Cadillac has the smallest fuel tank by 7 liters, so it's the one that isn't getting to use its efficiency.

Meanwhile, the Mazda just got cut back from the tied largest fuel tank, so really it was believed by the series to be one of the least efficient. Post-change is the same size as the Acura's tank, which is the second smallest.
OK, thanks. I stand corrected.

Reminds me a situation I once ran into. I bought a pickup truck and purposely got an inline 6 to get better fuel mileage. Worked great on flat land but once we hit the mountains, that efficiency went out the window. Replaced the inline 6 with a 350ci V8 and got better mileage overall.

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Old 16 Apr 2018, 21:26 (Ref:3816052)   #1895
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“To be frank about it, part of the reason we aren’t continuing, is because there’s a performance gap too, between DPi and P2s. From the BoP point of view, IMSA is making progress, going back from when it was P2s and DPs, progress has come on quicker this time.

“But from the nature of the two cars, even with the same chassis, it’s more than just the same cars with new aero and a new engine. “The reality with it is that it’s not just the engine, it’s the suspension package you can develop, so when you look at, for us, our ORECA 07 compared to the Acura Penske cars, speaking to the drivers they were saying that at Sebring the bumpiness was far less than for the P2s.

“At Daytona, the DPis can come out of corners better, they’re more complient. Even though we could make the same lap times, with good drivers, for them to make the time it they had to be on the edge. But the DPis can consistently get that lap time running at 95%. It puts us at more risk.

“It’s always hard to see unless you see really in depth. The only way to make it truly better I think, is allowing us open development on the global P2 package.”
I reckon Jackie should buy a Ginetta if he wants that, DPi is clearly not the formula for him.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 21:37 (Ref:3816053)   #1896
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That would mean that the ACO would have to approve the changes. But that's been kinda a beef with IMSA allowing more open development of DPI versions of the cars vs ACO spec LMP2s, while stating that LMP2 was the performance bar that would be adjusted to.

Again, LMP1 and DPI, if IMSA and the ACO can agree on basic regs, should be combined in concept and LMP2 left as is.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 00:20 (Ref:3816071)   #1897
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I had the opinion at the time that the people who enjoy IMSA's current way of doing things better enjoy Daytona this year because it was never going to be that big again, and it's certainly being borne out. I'm kind of numb to it now but it's pretty lame to have an event with that much potential international importance still being crippled by provincialism despite having a common "platform".
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 16:47 (Ref:3816212)   #1898
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HART Acura won't make it to Mid Ohio. I hope that they will focus on getting funding for Lime Rock and VIR at this point. Not even Watkins Glen if their resources are limited. I think the all GT races would be a great target for those with non full season aspirations.

The smaller GTD grids won't be a big deal at the full combined class races. But it will be noticeable if we can't get GTD to 12-15 cars at the all GT races.
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Old 18 Apr 2018, 23:27 (Ref:3816432)   #1899
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The HART car was only supposed to do the 4 NAEC races anyway.
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I had the opinion at the time that the people who enjoy IMSA's current way of doing things better enjoy Daytona this year because it was never going to be that big again, and it's certainly being borne out. I'm kind of numb to it now but it's pretty lame to have an event with that much potential international importance still being crippled by provincialism despite having a common "platform".
This was exactly why some teams wanted the P2 cars to be a separate class with an Am requirement. Perhaps if DPi continues to be strong this will happen.
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I don't think that solves anything for the international teams. Ride buyers can always buy locally, the guest appearances on the other hand are well funded teams that only run Ams out of obligation in Europe and are hunting for overall wins.
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I don't think that solves anything for the international teams. Ride buyers can always buy locally, the guest appearances on the other hand are well funded teams that only run Ams out of obligation in Europe and are hunting for overall wins.
If DPi were equal to lmp1-private, teams like this and Rebellion and Kolles and those Manor squads could jump in and compete. Lmp2 doesn't have to be the top class's speed. Next year with Michelin on board I expect the lap times to drop even more and being honest, DPi is being held back to no avail because they're still faster than lmp2 by some margin.
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That's a extremely large "if" that just isn't happening with the current generation of cars (even if it was plausible on a performance level there's no way anyone on the IMSA side would agree to having their cars compete against such technically different cars). Michelin makes no difference, those tires will still be slower than what's on a WEC car in either prototype class and won't change the performance relative to P2.

The stuff Cheng is talking about isn't any kind of fundamental chassis advantage either, it's just being able to optimize the car for local conditions. There's no design magic to the Acuras riding better at Sebring, it's Penske's shock program finding a better set up than ORECA made available with the homologated parts. The Cadillac is basically running the Dallara high downforce kit because they don't have to worry about Le Mans and can BoP away any speed deficit at Daytona and Road America.
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That's a extremely large "if" that just isn't happening with the current generation of cars (even if it was plausible on a performance level there's no way anyone on the IMSA side would agree to having their cars compete against such technically different cars). Michelin makes no difference, those tires will still be slower than what's on a WEC car in either prototype class and won't change the performance relative to P2.

The stuff Cheng is talking about isn't any kind of fundamental chassis advantage either, it's just being able to optimize the car for local conditions. There's no design magic to the Acuras riding better at Sebring, it's Penske's shock program finding a better set up than ORECA made available with the homologated parts. The Cadillac is basically running the Dallara high downforce kit because they don't have to worry about Le Mans and can BoP away any speed deficit at Daytona and Road America.
I don't wanna go off topic anymore, so this is my last comment on it. In lmp1 there's freedom to change things like the suspension. That is a precise issue his team has when facing DPi. DPi could be at or near lmp1 speed with a little tinkering. Lower weight, higher power. Maybe cars like the ESM Ligier is a little heavier. There's a solution in buying a new chassis, maybe using a ByKolles Nismo? Maybe Mazda has engine power issues. There's a new AER engine running in the lmp1 SMP Dallara's (who make Cadillac's chassis). I think going forward in the future they need to target lmp1 or whatever the class's name is in DPi. Then lower funded teams can win their own class with AM drivers (lmp2). It was already suggested, maybe they should take a look at it again. Imo, they won't be equal even with excessive bop. They might take a lucky win or two, but 9 times out of 10 it'll be a DPi lockout.
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