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Old 28 Feb 2018, 23:03 (Ref:3804754)   #31
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Scott Speed going crazy on iRacing was a result of hearing there's no Supercars & Volkswagen in GRC this season?
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Old 1 Mar 2018, 16:25 (Ref:3804946)   #32
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Have you all got your head around the "Gold" class? Well here are the details of the "Platinum" cars and it's not what I was expecting...

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2...champions-cup/

...MJP Racing is now linking up with the GRC? I know Max Pucher has been quite vocal about the direction of the World Championship, but this move surprises me.

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Old 1 Mar 2018, 16:31 (Ref:3804947)   #33
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Sounds exciting but the details are confusing. The cars sound Ike Division 3 in France, which are amazing!! And it's being showcased at lydden (perhaps with guest drivers) so it makes lydden more appealing.

But is there room for the championship to come to Europe? Did pat know this when signing them up? Maybe he did.
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Old 1 Mar 2018, 17:44 (Ref:3804970)   #34
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I was very surprised as well. About a month ago he posted a status where he was very critical of the future of WRX and rallycross, especially about how they were going to implement the electric cars (Formula E apparently wasn't that environmentaly friendly as one might think). I guess this is how he wants to evolve rallycross.

Perhaps they will compete at former ERC tracks and purpose-built tracks in Europe? Hungary, Greinbach, Essay, Sosnova etc.

The cars makes me very sceptical. Somehow they are supposed to be more agile, lighter, faster and cheaper than a Supercar. Since MJP are building the cars they have monopoly as well. The Lites for example are very expensive and there is no way around it.
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Old 1 Mar 2018, 20:14 (Ref:3805010)   #35
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Since MJP are building the cars they have monopoly as well. The Lites for example are very expensive and there is no way around it.
Agreed - it's just swapping one spec car for another - you still have to buy from the car from a single source.
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Old 1 Mar 2018, 23:48 (Ref:3805067)   #36
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There is a way round it

Dont buy the cars, dont go to lydden, and the series will die and that will force them to come up with something the fans want. Its simple really, hurtful but very, very simple.

I think Pat is aboutb the only guy who could give us ERC like it was, a margely amateur sport, still containing the right sort of cars. he has the clout maybe, but would need help. But his possible bitter attitude to IMG might be just the spark it needs.

And though I loath him, his sons involvement with big sponsors might also be a benefit
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Old 2 Mar 2018, 07:48 (Ref:3805132)   #37
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Well here are the details of the "Platinum" cars and it's not what I was expecting...

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2...champions-cup/
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Old 2 Mar 2018, 14:39 (Ref:3805240)   #38
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Sorry, this is just getting stupid now! You've gone from having 1 top level with which minor mods let people race in both National, European, World and American series to now having what, 2 completely different series which are polar opposites to each other and will force people to do one or the other!

I love rallycross, its great being at the circuit live as the races are short, sharp and entertaining, the people involved on the whole tend to be open and have great access (a few world rx teams apart) but the way things are going its just ripping its self apart and no one is going to win out of this.
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I love rallycross, its great being at the circuit live as the races are short, sharp and entertaining, the people involved on the whole tend to be open and have great access (a few world rx teams apart) but the way things are going its just ripping its self apart and no one is going to win out of this.
This is the norm for Rallycross is it not?
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This is the norm for Rallycross is it not?
Sad but true.
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The sad part is this is all about what people wanted years ago, including me.

We wanted someone to pick it up, throw some money at marketing, take it to new places maybe. And what happened, two companies picked up, dressed up in a lunchbox, deserted every known place really of history, threw anyway the existing drivers and teams and touted their new amazing product to the highest bidder, whether that bidder had any interest or possible interest in rallycross or not.

This is what happens when people who should know better, (yes Tim I am looking at you and many others) get too involved.
I blame Hansen, all the carry pver teams like Bergteamet, Andy Scott, everyone who was there at the start trying to get it massive, sold it to IMG and did not put anything in place to try and limit their power.

GRC started off awfully, the Gronholm and Heikkinen crashes ought to ahve nailed its coffin, but they cam back and had some interest ideas, then IMG came in and literally stole their thunder, two energy drinks companies trying to out hustle each other. That is all rallycross at that level is at the moment sadly.

Never always good to get what you wish for.
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Old 2 Mar 2018, 19:26 (Ref:3805297)   #43
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I would say Eriksson is the man who got rallycross in the spotlight. He went to USA in order to get rallycross going over there and in a longer run internationally. The OMSE truck and bus for example had Global Rallycross striped on it when they competed in Europe.

Once things started to get serious over there, FIA put ERC up for sale or promotion, probably to conquer out GRC and to keep the top level of rallycross in Europe since a few went over and others also thought of going there.

Unfortunately IMG were the only ones (thinking of how things are looking nowadays) that were interested. Hansen was very much onboard and other profiles like Solberg and Ekström was very positive of how serious things were going to get since it was somewhat of an low level and privateer sport compared to others.

It went serious in a bad direction though and I don't think there was a way to stop it really unless everyone had been protesting. However, I know for a fact that things could have been much worse.

Finally, there apparently is ANOTHER championship getting started in USA for at least Supercars. Don't know though if it is related to the series that Stohl is building electric rallycross cars for.
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Old 4 Mar 2018, 10:55 (Ref:3805683)   #44
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Finally, there apparently is ANOTHER championship getting started in USA for at least Supercars. Don't know though if it is related to the series that Stohl is building electric rallycross cars for.
Just looking at the comments under a picture posted by Subaru Rally Team USA (of them testing the rallycross cars). Max Pucher has just posted:

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Subaru was one of teams to pull out from GRC Supercars, but they might take part in some races that IMG thinks of setting up in the US. The grass is always greener on the other side ...
So IMG are trying to set something up in the US and the GRC are trying to set up a Championship in Europe?
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Old 4 Mar 2018, 11:46 (Ref:3805688)   #45
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This actually makes sense though. With the same regs as the WRX and then the US round of the WRX in Austin could then be billed as a US v the World event which the Americans seem to love (e.g. Ryder cup, Solheim cup and the other one v the world in golf).
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