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Old 2 Jan 2018, 14:51 (Ref:3790326)   #16
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Understanding that the GT4 cars are much cheaper than GT3 on initial purchase, is there really much difference in running costs when it comes to the costs that don't change? I.e. tires and fuel. If you ran a GT4 car for the same length of time (full IMSA season) as a GT3 car, would it really be exponentially cheaper, or would it just be a few hundred thousand dollars.

Unless it was MUCH much cheaper, I can't see it appealing to many people. The GS teams and drivers wouldn't be able to afford it, and the current GTD teams (or more specifically, the paying drivers) wouldn't necessarily find the slower GT4 cars all that attractive? The John Potters and Christina Nielsens of the world have the money to drive the fancy exciting cars, and stepping it back to GT4 may lose their interest.
I imagine spares for GT4 are cheaper than the GT3 too. That could be a big part.

IMSA GTDs are BoP'd back to get a gap to the GTLM cars. GT3 has crept up in speed, so I assume GT4 will too. GT4 may well replace GTD at some point.
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Old 2 Jan 2018, 15:13 (Ref:3790328)   #17
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I imagine spares for GT4 are cheaper than the GT3 too. That could be a big part.

IMSA GTDs are BoP'd back to get a gap to the GTLM cars. GT3 has crept up in speed, so I assume GT4 will too. GT4 may well replace GTD at some point.
True, little things like shocks, brake rotors, springs and everything else do add up when it comes to running costs.

I agree that eventually something will have to be done, whether it's GT4 as replacement for GTD or something else altogether different, but it's probably a little soon for that switch to be attractive.
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The John Potters and Christina Nielsens of the world have the money to drive the fancy exciting cars, and stepping it back to GT4 may lose their interest.
Thing is, there aren't terribly many Potters and Nielsens around and IIRC Christina actually lost the Scuderia Corsa drive due to not being able to match the team's increased financial demands, so she might not be as well-heeled as one might think. And Potter didn't find it to be beneath him to run a Porsche Cup Car in Rolex GT, so GT4 wouldn't be a terrible step down.

At the same time, you'd allow teams and drivers back into the series that have been priced out since the merger (e.g. former Grand-Am stalwarts like Foster and Putnam that rather run in Creventic these days).

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Agreed - though I think there needs to be a road-map, which needs to be communicated ahead of time. If we posit that teams normally buy their cars for a three year period, a switch in 2021 would need to be communicated during the course of the coming season to give the teams that have bought new GT3s for 2018 enough time to get their money's worth.
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Old 2 Jan 2018, 15:54 (Ref:3790331)   #19
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GT3 and GT4 are modeled after the printer business. With a printer, it costs $130. They get you on the ink because when it runs out, you need to spend $60 for a refill. If you try to be innovative and refill them yourself, they got that covered because that chip in them will constantly give you errors and never tell you when it's ready to go empty. In the end, your printer craps out in 5 years and you buy a new one. best part is, the ink cartridges are different and thus you go through the whole situation yet again.

With GT3 and GT4, you get a reasonable priced car that the manufacturer either loses money on or breaks even. This is because they know you are forced into buying all of those homologated parts which cost 3X over what they should. They make it up over the long term because as we all know, racecars get wrecked and wear out. Then you'll get no more than 5 years out of it because manufacturers are changing models about every 5 years. So, if you buy a VW MK7 TCR car today, guess what, VW is ready to crank out a MK8 soon. So, a brand new 2018 VW will be good for about 2 years and all of a sudden, they want you to run the MK8 and will amazingly stop making parts and provide support for the MK7. Thus, your 2 year old car just dropped like a rock in value because it's relegated to club racing status. Then any new renter want's a nice and shiny new car because VW will tell you. it's way better than that MK7.

Top that off with things like when there was a 25% increase in race fuel cost. Things like this. If you ran an ST car in 2007, you spent $20K in entries for 10 races ($24K adjusted for inflation). Today, it's $35K if you prepay for the whole season, $41K for per event basis and then $44K for a standard per event. So, same number of events, less race and track time. In 10 years it has gone up anywhere from 46% to 83%. Premium gets you some extras but in the end it's not needed. Credentials were only $400 back in 2007 and even if you bought 10, that is still way cheaper than the premium for IMSA. For me, I don't understand why the entry is so much more. 1.8% inflation over 10 years yet racing entry fee inflation is 46-83%. How can that be?
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Can you take a GT4 car and just make the rear wing bigger and go with that as a new GTD in the future?
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Can you take a GT4 car and just make the rear wing bigger
Has been done plenty of times.

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Only as long as manufacturers aren't seriously interested in the class, otherwise they'll want to re-develop their cars' entire areo-packages, which is not going to be particularly cost effective, especially if that GT4+ rule set is an IMSA-only affair with limited potential for sales.
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The idea of a GT4+ could bring us back to 2014-2015 GTD before full GT3 configuration running under IMSA/Grand Am specifications. Maybe looking back now it was not that bad of thing as we thought? Look at what Grand AM GT grid numbers back at the 2012 Daytona 24 hours. That full season grid numbers was probably good too. I would support this as long as GTLM stays healthy and strong.
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Old 2 Jan 2018, 17:39 (Ref:3790343)   #23
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You can forget about a GT4+ for now or in the near future. Manufacturers do not want that at all (especially the German ones). MB, Audi and Porsche are all in GT3 and GT4. Last thing Audi wants are to have GT4 and GT3 R8's out on the track together. Plus that would cannibalize their business. It becomes too close and thus confusing for the renter or team owner as to pick what to run. Last thing we need are more classes. No matter how many times we try that, it never works.

The main problem is that GT3 was not as fast as it is today and the same for GT4 (which has been around for at least 10 years) but for some reason we made it faster. I still can't figure out the reasoning for going faster for the sake of doing it to the point where it becomes so expensive that you need to create a new class that is at the same speed as the faster class was 8-10 years ago. We all know that GT5 will be around the corner. It'll be a GT4 car with no aero and thus the perception becomes that it's cheaper and we will celebrate that a new form of cheaper racing has emerged. In 5 years it'll have wings, splitters and a whole bunch of suspension and driveline parts that are nothing like the production counterpart then the operational costs will be 50% higher then. Off we go to create GT6.

This doesn't even address why the sanctioning bodies continue to gouge the racers with massive entries fees, a bunch of extra equipment you need to lease and charging you more for consumables when a new supplier comes aboard. Trust me, when Michelin comes on board, the price of tires will be going up and the prize money will see a 0% increase. What we will do is reduce track time and events as a band aid for cost reduction.
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Do you think an increase in prize money will help anything?

And yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with the Michelin deal. It's funny that a spec selection like tires really just means price-controlled / guaranteed customers for the supplier and usually means higher pricing for the teams, not lower.
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Do you think an increase in prize money will help anything?

And yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with the Michelin deal. It's funny that a spec selection like tires really just means price-controlled / guaranteed customers for the supplier and usually means higher pricing for the teams, not lower.
Here's the problem. In 2008 the prize money paid down to 20th for GS and ST. 2008 was the first year for Koni and instead of it being based on the field size it was set no matter the field size. So, if you won in ST, you got $7K (GS was $11K) and if you finished 10th, it was $1K and 20th was $500. In the end no big deal but when you had 40 ST cars, finishing 20th was mid pack and 10th was in the top 25%. It was a challenge because of the sheer numbers.

Today, ST, GS and TCR pay only the top 5. To win gives you $12K in GS, $10K in TCR and $5K in ST. As you can see, IMSA really wants ST to go away, thus the decrease in prize money. If you like math, that's a 37.5% decrease in prize money if you win in ST as compared to 2008. As we all know, IMSA will tell us that it's too hard for teams to build their own cars and develop them. As you can see, a 46-83% increase in IMSA costs with a decrease of 37.5% in IMSA give back, means, the class dies off. With the prize money and the entry fees, IMSA is telling the ST teams, go away or join TCR. Again, we will flush out the old and hope for the new. Same thing we did with GS. Tell everyone that it's too hard and expensive to build your own car so we have the answer. It's GT4 even though the running costs end up being more.
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Not sure its time to signal the end of the GT3 era yet. There was what 15-17 entries last year in standard GT3 races?

In Daytona there will be 10 GT3 full time entrants. Sure theres a drop but not unretrievable.

For reference, heres the daytona GTd entry split into full, NAEC and daytona only entries.

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FULL SEASON - 10
Michael Shank Racing - Acura NSX GT3 - Lawson Aschenbach / Justin Marks + Come Ledogar + Mario Farnbacher
Magnus Racing - Audi R8 LMS GT3 - Andy Lally / TBA + TBA
Scuderia Corsa - Ferrari 488 GT3 - Jeff Segal / Copper MacNeil / Gunnar Jeannette + Alessandro Balzan
3GT Racing - Lexus RC F *GT3 - David Heinmeier Hanson / Jack Hawksworth + Scott Pruett + Dominik Franbacher
Wright Motorsports - Porsche 911 GT3 R - Patrick Long / Christina Nielsen + Mathieu Jaminet / Robert Renauer
Land Motorsport - Audi R8 LMS GT3 - Kelvin Van Der Linde / Sheldon Van Der Linde / Jeffrey Schmidt / Christopher Mies
Park Place - Porsche 911 GT3 R - Jorg Bergmeister / Patrick Lindsey + Tim Pappas
Riley Motorsports - Mercedes AMG GT3 - Ben Keating / Jeroen Bleekemolen / Adam Christodolou / Luca Stolz
SunEnergy1 Racing - Mercedes AMG GT3 - Kenny Habul / Thomas Jager + Maro Engel + Mikael Grenier
Paul Miller Racing - Lamborghini Huracan GT3 - Bryan Sellers / Madison Snow + Andrea Calderelli + Bryce Miller

NAEC - 5
Scuderia Corsa - Ferrari 488 GT3 - Townsend Bell / Bill Swedler + Sam Bird + Frankie Montecalvo
Michael Shank Racing - Acura NSX GT3 - Alvaro Parente / Katherine Legge + AJ Allmendinger + Trent Hindman
3GT Racing - Lexus RC F *GT3 - Dominik Baumann / Kyle Marcelli / Bruno Junqueira
HART - Acura NSX GT3 - Ryan Eversley / Chad Gilsinger + Sean Rayhall / John Falb
P1 Motorsports - Mercedes AMG GT3 - JC Perez / Kenton Koch / Robby Foley /Loris Spinelli

DAYTONA ONLY - 6
GRT Grasser - Lamborghini Huracan GT3 - Rolf Iniechen / Mirko Bortolotti / Franck Perera / Rik Breukers
GRT Grasser - Lamborghini Huracan GT3 - Max Van Splunteren / Ezequiel Perez Companc / Christian Engelhart / Christoper Lenz / Louis Machiels
Risi Competizione - Ferrari 488 GT3 - Miguel Molina / Martin Fuentes / Ricardo Perez de Lara / Santiago Creel
Spirit of Race - Ferrari 488 GT3 - Paul Dalla Lana / Pedro Lamy / Mathias Lauda / Daniel Serra
Manthey Racing - Porsche 911 GT3R - Steve Smith / Randy Walls / Harald Proczyk / Jeff Segal
Turner Motorsport - BMW M6 GT3 - Jens Klingmann / TBA / TBA
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Not sure its time to signal the end of the GT3 era yet. There was what 15-17 entries last year in standard GT3 races?

In Daytona there will be 10 GT3 full time entrants. Sure theres a drop but not unretrievable.
I think IMSA is really different from all other GT3 series, due to the amount of racing time on the calender, which is for GTD at well over 60 hours.

Even if you do the full Blancpain circuit, you only have 39 hours of racing and ten of those are in the sprint format which can be done with a reduced crew.

So GT3 might very well still be a viable solution for many other series, while being considerably less so for IMSA.

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In addition to that, let's say that Speed King Racing is based in Munich and he's going to race a pair of GT3 cars for all 10 Blancpain races in 2018. Let's look at the travel for his team. If he went from Munich to every event and back, he'd rack up 10,600 miles (17,600km). If Speed King was smart, he'd rent out some space in England for two weeks in May because two events are there within 2 weeks of each other and only 100 miles (160km) apart. That saves about 1,580 miles (2,550km) for a total of 9,020 miles (14,520km)

Speed King Racing then decides to run two GTD cars in IMSA and base his team out of Road Atlanta. For a full season that's 18,600 miles (29,900km). The only saving of distance is when WG and Mosport come up because after the 6hr race, he has to go to Mosport 300 miles (480km) and be there in 3 days to rebuild the car and convert back to sprint setup. It does save distance though. That becomes 1,500 miles (2,420km) for a total of 17,100 miles (27,520km). This distance could be more depending where he locates because the last IMSA race is zero distance. That means, he only racks up mileage for 10 races which is the same number as in a full blown season of Blancpain.

Just the travel for the truck is 8,080 miles (13,000km) more or 89.5% more distance for IMSA.

For IMSA, there's another issue. Daytona and Laguna are the only two races where you get a garage. In Blancpain, you get garages for every race. That means, for 9 races, you need the full crew to be there longer because you have to set up a 53' awning and all of the extra garbage that goes along with it. Top it off, in the US, the majority of the team lives all over the country, thus you pretty much have to fly in 90% of them. In Europe, a German team consists of mostly Germans that usually take a van to shorter distance events.

As you can see, the distance just for IMSA is much more. So, the pay for the truck driver, maintenance on the truck and fuel is much more. Plus, for IMSA, Daytona is really the only event you need extra crew. As for the rest, you can do it with the same number. IMSA is not a good representation of what you can do in Europe. Just like the ADAC Masters. They run their whole season in an area smaller than the NE region for SCCA Club. If you do SCCA Club in the NE region and do the Runoffs for 2018, you will do 5,600 miles for the Runoffs then add into that, 6 races with an average round trip of 600 miles, you got about 9,200 miles as opposed to Speed King Racing that runs in ADAC Masters who only cranks out 4,200 miles for a 7 race series. Who knew that transporting a 1990 Spec Miata would be more than a 2018 GT3 Car in ADAC or Blancpain.

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In addition to that, let's say that Speed King Racing is based in Munich and he's going to race a pair of GT3 cars for all 10 Blancpain races in 2018. Let's look at the travel for his team. If he went from Munich to every event and back, he'd rack up 10,600 miles (17,600km). If Speed King was smart, he'd rent out some space in England for two weeks in May because two events are there within 2 weeks of each other and only 100 miles (160km) apart. That saves about 1,580 miles (2,550km) for a total of 9,020 miles (14,520km)

Speed King Racing then decides to run two GTD cars in IMSA and base his team out of Road Atlanta. For a full season that's 18,600 miles (29,900km). The only saving of distance is when WG and Mosport come up because after the 6hr race, he has to go to Mosport 300 miles (480km) and be there in 3 days to rebuild the car and convert back to sprint setup. It does save distance though. That becomes 1,500 miles (2,420km) for a total of 17,100 miles (27,520km). This distance could be more depending where he locates because the last IMSA race is zero distance. That means, he only racks up mileage for 10 races which is the same number as in a full blown season of Blancpain.

Just the travel for the truck is 8,080 miles (13,000km) more or 89.5% more distance for IMSA.

For IMSA, there's another issue. Daytona and Laguna are the only two races where you get a garage. In Blancpain, you get garages for every race. That means, for 9 races, you need the full crew to be there longer because you have to set up a 53' awning and all of the extra garbage that goes along with it. Top it off, in the US, the majority of the team lives all over the country, thus you pretty much have to fly in 90% of them. In Europe, a German team consists of mostly Germans that usually take a van to shorter distance events.

As you can see, the distance just for IMSA is much more. So, the pay for the truck driver, maintenance on the truck and fuel is much more. Plus, for IMSA, Daytona is really the only event you need extra crew. As for the rest, you can do it with the same number. IMSA is not a good representation of what you can do in Europe. Just like the ADAC Masters. They run their whole season in an area smaller than the NE region for SCCA Club. If you do SCCA Club in the NE region and do the Runoffs for 2018, you will do 5,600 miles for the Runoffs then add into that, 6 races with an average round trip of 600 miles, you got about 9,200 miles as opposed to Speed King Racing that runs in ADAC Masters who only cranks out 4,200 miles for a 7 race series. Who knew that transporting a 1990 Spec Miata would be more than a 2018 GT3 Car in ADAC or Blancpain.



Just out of interest: What percentage of 'my' teams budget would travel make up in the US or in Europe?
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In addition to that, let's say that Speed King Racing is based in Munich and he's going to race a pair of GT3 cars for all 10 Blancpain races in 2018. Let's look at the travel for his team. If he went from Munich to every event and back, he'd rack up 10,600 miles (17,600km). If Speed King was smart, he'd rent out some space in England for two weeks in May because two events are there within 2 weeks of each other and only 100 miles (160km) apart. That saves about 1,580 miles (2,550km) for a total of 9,020 miles (14,520km)

Speed King Racing then decides to run two GTD cars in IMSA and base his team out of Road Atlanta. For a full season that's 18,600 miles (29,900km). The only saving of distance is when WG and Mosport come up because after the 6hr race, he has to go to Mosport 300 miles (480km) and be there in 3 days to rebuild the car and convert back to sprint setup. It does save distance though. That becomes 1,500 miles (2,420km) for a total of 17,100 miles (27,520km). This distance could be more depending where he locates because the last IMSA race is zero distance. That means, he only racks up mileage for 10 races which is the same number as in a full blown season of Blancpain.

Just the travel for the truck is 8,080 miles (13,000km) more or 89.5% more distance for IMSA.

For IMSA, there's another issue. Daytona and Laguna are the only two races where you get a garage. In Blancpain, you get garages for every race. That means, for 9 races, you need the full crew to be there longer because you have to set up a 53' awning and all of the extra garbage that goes along with it. Top it off, in the US, the majority of the team lives all over the country, thus you pretty much have to fly in 90% of them. In Europe, a German team consists of mostly Germans that usually take a van to shorter distance events.

As you can see, the distance just for IMSA is much more. So, the pay for the truck driver, maintenance on the truck and fuel is much more. Plus, for IMSA, Daytona is really the only event you need extra crew. As for the rest, you can do it with the same number. IMSA is not a good representation of what you can do in Europe. Just like the ADAC Masters. They run their whole season in an area smaller than the NE region for SCCA Club. If you do SCCA Club in the NE region and do the Runoffs for 2018, you will do 5,600 miles for the Runoffs then add into that, 6 races with an average round trip of 600 miles, you got about 9,200 miles as opposed to Speed King Racing that runs in ADAC Masters who only cranks out 4,200 miles for a 7 race series. Who knew that transporting a 1990 Spec Miata would be more than a 2018 GT3 Car in ADAC or Blancpain.
you have talked miles, but you havent converted that into $. Is the rate per mile the same in USA as europe

and at the end , how much of that is relates to the total cost
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