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Old 22 Feb 2018, 15:27 (Ref:3803183)   #31
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Sounds like Road Atlanta is going to close then. Better enjoy it now. I never realized it was so bad at that track. I thought Lime Rock was bad but they are lenient as compared to Road Atlanta.

Petit needs to move to Barber ASAP. The developer there knows how to deal with the local government. I know because he rented a car from me one year and we had a nice talk about their battle with the watershed and just about every environmental group you can imagine. With that, they have expanded the whole area and turned it into a tax revenue machine for the county. If any of you went to Barber when they opened and then today, you'll see what they have done is quite impressive.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 02:32 (Ref:3803294)   #32
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Sounds like Road Atlanta is going to close then. Better enjoy it now. I never realized it was so bad at that track. I thought Lime Rock was bad but they are lenient as compared to Road Atlanta.

Petit needs to move to Barber ASAP. The developer there knows how to deal with the local government. I know because he rented a car from me one year and we had a nice talk about their battle with the watershed and just about every environmental group you can imagine. With that, they have expanded the whole area and turned it into a tax revenue machine for the county. If any of you went to Barber when they opened and then today, you'll see what they have done is quite impressive.
Barber is much more impressive than this poor, wasted attempt to troll.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 02:59 (Ref:3803302)   #33
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Barber is much more impressive than this poor, wasted attempt to troll.
I gotta agree with this statement. People were discussing the possibility of a land sale in this thread, I thought the discussion was good personally. People expressed their opinions and gave reasons for their way of thinking. That's why Tenths exist.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 14:06 (Ref:3803406)   #34
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I gotta agree with this statement. People were discussing the possibility of a land sale in this thread, I thought the discussion was good personally. People expressed their opinions and gave reasons for their way of thinking. That's why Tenths exist.
My problem is, I've been to lots of racetracks all over the world. While I like many of them, some are really nice. Barber is one of them. I was even there for the first race they ever had there and even today, the place is even better. They took the land and did everything from getting a motel, a Bass Pro Shops and an outlet mall there. There was even talk about Yamaha moving their HQ to Barber. Trust me, they had a huge issue with the environmentalists when building that facility, yet got through that.

As for Rod Atlanta, that place has many memories for me and I like the facility too. It's that it could be updated with some other business opportunities to make it even a better facility and be part of the area. Not something fighting it. It seems that the gloom and doom is that RA is going to be sold when I don't see that at all. On the other hand, if the people in the area keep up with the attitude that it's doomed, then it will be.

BTW: Road Atlanta, Road America and Mid Ohio were sentimental favorites for me in 2014 because each of those tracks, became the 40th year since I first was there. It was nice to see how they have changed in certain ways but still kept the character (technically Mid Ohio is completely different because 1982 was the major overhaul of that facility).
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 14:32 (Ref:3803409)   #35
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Over the last 40 years here are the permanent facility sportscar tracks that I have been to which are now closed:

1. Bridgehampton
2. Ontario
3. Riverside
4. IRP
5. MAR

Here's what has opened:
1. Barber
2. NOLA
3. Homestead
4. VIR (it reopened)
5. NJMP
6. Monticello
7. New Hampshire
8. Miller
9. Atlanta Motorsports Park
10. PPIR (it closed for a bit but is open again)
11. Iowa Speedway
12. Kansas Speedway
13. Topeka
14. Fontana
15. Carolina Motorsports park
16. Pittsburgh International Race Complex

Just for me, there have been 3X the amount of tracks open as compared to the ones that have closed. Certain ones I honestly thought they would have been gone because they were POS facilities yet have turned their act around:

1. Nelson Ledges
2. Summit Point (how this place survived is a testament of someone knowing what to do because it was a dump in the 70's and the major celebration was they finally repaved it 8 months ago. It literally became the gold standard of the worst racetrack for at least 30 years).
3. Blackhawk Farms
4. Hallet
5. Grattan
6. Waterford Hills

In the end, if Road Atlanta can't survive, it's their own fault.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 14:40 (Ref:3803410)   #36
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My problem is, I've been to lots of racetracks all over the world. While I like many of them, some are really nice. Barber is one of them. I was even there for the first race they ever had there and even today, the place is even better. They took the land and did everything from getting a motel, a Bass Pro Shops and an outlet mall there. There was even talk about Yamaha moving their HQ to Barber. Trust me, they had a huge issue with the environmentalists when building that facility, yet got through that.

As for Rod Atlanta, that place has many memories for me and I like the facility too. It's that it could be updated with some other business opportunities to make it even a better facility and be part of the area. Not something fighting it. It seems that the gloom and doom is that RA is going to be sold when I don't see that at all. On the other hand, if the people in the area keep up with the attitude that it's doomed, then it will be.

BTW: Road Atlanta, Road America and Mid Ohio were sentimental favorites for me in 2014 because each of those tracks, became the 40th year since I first was there. It was nice to see how they have changed in certain ways but still kept the character (technically Mid Ohio is completely different because 1982 was the major overhaul of that facility).
There is a "country club" track nearby which I think might be a hindrance to your idea. Road Atlanta is more open to the "public" too and, as you pointed out, has tons of SCCA, NASA, Chump Car events, and relatively inexpensive track days every weekend.

Nascar isn't going to be sold. I don't see any doom and gloom, just mostly joking. I'm not sure who your argument is with?
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 14:41 (Ref:3803411)   #37
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My problem is, I've been to lots of racetracks all over the world. While I like many of them, some are really nice. Barber is one of them. I was even there for the first race they ever had there and even today, the place is even better. They took the land and did everything from getting a motel, a Bass Pro Shops and an outlet mall there. There was even talk about Yamaha moving their HQ to Barber. Trust me, they had a huge issue with the environmentalists when building that facility, yet got through that.

As for Rod Atlanta, that place has many memories for me and I like the facility too. It's that it could be updated with some other business opportunities to make it even a better facility and be part of the area. Not something fighting it. It seems that the gloom and doom is that RA is going to be sold when I don't see that at all. On the other hand, if the people in the area keep up with the attitude that it's doomed, then it will be.

BTW: Road Atlanta, Road America and Mid Ohio were sentimental favorites for me in 2014 because each of those tracks, became the 40th year since I first was there. It was nice to see how they have changed in certain ways but still kept the character (technically Mid Ohio is completely different because 1982 was the major overhaul of that facility).
There's "no gloom and doom" here except from you.

Barber is a beautiful facility that doesn't produce the greatest ontrack product and is not very fan friendly, imho.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 15:00 (Ref:3803417)   #38
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This is my only concern.

For a series that 2 decades ago was quite possibly the most popular national series in the world to what it is today is sad. I'm over the sadness, but hope it doesn't drag my home track down with it.
Post #3. Start of the gloom and doom.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 15:18 (Ref:3803422)   #39
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Forget Barber. Then we will go back to the early GA days and finish off the year at Daytona. We start Saturday with a 2hr PC race from 8-10am. Then we have a 6 hour MTSC race from 12-6. After that, the WT race from 11pm to 9am. That way there's a boatload of racing, no sound ordinances, it'll most likely be warmer and lots of camping space. Everyone gets a treat to have the big race run mostly at night. Fans then can leave on Sunday and go home to be at work for Monday. The awards banquet can be held at the Motorsports Hall of Fame Of America Museum at the track.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 15:25 (Ref:3803424)   #40
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Post #3. Start of the gloom and doom.
Not in the least bit, but I'm not getting any further into semantics.
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Just for me, there have been 3X the amount of tracks open as compared to the ones that have closed. Certain ones I honestly thought they would have been gone because they were POS facilities yet have turned their act around:

1. Nelson Ledges
2. Summit Point (how this place survived is a testament of someone knowing what to do because it was a dump in the 70's and the major celebration was they finally repaved it 8 months ago. It literally became the gold standard of the worst racetrack for at least 30 years).
3. Blackhawk Farms
4. Hallet
5. Grattan
6. Waterford Hills

In the end, if Road Atlanta can't survive, it's their own fault.
Hey now! Us mid atlantic types love our summit point. yeah its still a little....dated...but it has its charms
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1. Nelson Ledges
2. Summit Point (how this place survived is a testament of someone knowing what to do because it was a dump in the 70's and the major celebration was they finally repaved it 8 months ago. It literally became the gold standard of the worst racetrack for at least 30 years).
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5. Grattan
6. Waterford Hills
What a great list of hidden diamants - at least to the bigger audience. Anyways, hope to be able to attend events at one or two more of above listed 6 this year. Having only one of these on my personal list so far (Halllett, my home track) is truly underwhelming when I think of it...

On a Road Atlanta related note: turns out my brother-in-law recently purchased a property literally around the corner from the track (after being relocated for work to the ATL area)! Last weekend he was reorganizing stuff in the garage when he noticed car noises coming from the north - his neighborhood is right behind turns 6 and 7 - if a car goes in the gravel at 6 violently enough, the rocks might hit his roof! The guy had no idea that he is so close to the race track so I gently brought the upcoming Trans Am event at the end of March (for starters) to his attention...
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What a great list of hidden diamants - at least to the bigger audience. Anyways, hope to be able to attend events at one or two more of above listed 6 this year. Having only one of these on my personal list so far (Halllett, my home track) is truly underwhelming when I think of it...

On a Road Atlanta related note: turns out my brother-in-law recently purchased a property literally around the corner from the track (after being relocated for work to the ATL area)! Last weekend he was reorganizing stuff in the garage when he noticed car noises coming from the north - his neighborhood is right behind turns 6 and 7 - if a car goes in the gravel at 6 violently enough, the rocks might hit his roof! The guy had no idea that he is so close to the race track so I gently brought the upcoming Trans Am event at the end of March (for starters) to his attention...
Easter weekend with SVRA, I'll be there for the day and deaf for Easter I'm guessing.
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I still don't see how this happens in this day in age. Location, location, location...

But hey! Free place to stay on trips to the track now, right?
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I still don't see how this happens in this day in age. Location, location, location...

But hey! Free place to stay on trips to the track now, right?



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