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2 Dec 2006, 01:38 (Ref:1779929) | #1 | ||
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Can Newey effect STR
Because of the connection between Red Bull and STR, can/do they trade information??? And Can Newey help design the STR chassis???
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I guess it COULD happen. Should STR start the season with a bespoke chassis however, sharing data wont get them too much but this year, RBR may have given them all their data on the RB1 for the STR1.
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STR are trying to run the Newey designed RB3 this year (renamed the STR2 of course).
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Just to add to my previous post, Luizzi expects the STR2 to run in January... same month as the RB3. *wink wink*
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If thats the case, a Newey designed chassis (a chassis i might add that RBR claim theyve put their full effort behind for a very considerable time. they claim as soon as they put the RB2 on track they knew it was a dud) with arguably the 2 best 07 engines powering it, running on 2 teams (so double data) could become quite an annoyance to the established runners by mid year.
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Gerhard Berger said recently Toro Rosso would design their own car. It was in Autosport two or three weeks back I think.
I must say, I can't see them designing a car entirely their own, given what they could glean from the senior RBR squad. But I'd be pleased if they did their own thing! |
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Given that it is likely that next years Toro Rosso is likely to have more in common with this years Red Bull than the '07 car, I suspect that Newey's influence at Toro Rosso will be rather small for I'd imagine given that much of Red Bull's focus has been on 2007, I suspect that this is where Newey would have spent most of his time. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if data Red Bull have accumulated with this years car happened to find its way to Toro Rosso.
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Theres a few holes i guess in the STR2-RB3 theory. Firstly, the basic car would need to be open to both the Ferrari and Renault engines. Engines these days are apprently very similar in packaging, but it was enough for Newey to clearly want one over the other so theres going to be compromises. Secondly, they already had a few times this year where STR were ahead of RBR, something which isnt good for the corporate image so i'd imagine Matesich and his gang would want to keep the B team where a B team belongs - Behind the A team. The RB2 is already setup for the Ferrari engine, so if STR can get around the rules like Super Aguri are, they should be set.
If all else fails, i guess they could always continue with the STR1 as well. |
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I think STR will get limited assistance from big brother, but STR is the junior team, there to blood in new drivers. They won't want them messing with Reb Bull Senior, which is there primarily to win.
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Thanks Down F0rce and knowlesy for the bits of information.
About the A/B teams, isn't the B team, besides the "secondary" team, as FPV GTHO remarks, the place for trying the improbable ideas? |
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20 Dec 2006, 04:56 (Ref:1795409) | #11 | ||
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RBR 2007 Expectations?
What are everyones thoughts on the Adrian Newey designed Red Bull car for 2007? Can they be competitive or will it take longer? Alot of hopes are pinned on Newey he better pull through for webbers sake
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20 Dec 2006, 06:00 (Ref:1795423) | #12 | ||
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Hasnt this been done to death already?
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There you go, threads merged!
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Maybe he's "jumped ship" at the wrong time again.
He's gonna have to be good up against DC at any rate and it does seem that everyone is relying on their aero team to deliver the goods next season. |
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DC won't be a factor for webber.
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i think these 2 will be good for each other, MW's pace will keep DC honest and DC's development will help the cars.
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6th in the Constructors' and maybe a driver in the Drivers' top 10 seem realistic for RBR. Even if they make a big move in competitiveness, BMW and Honda both seem to be on upward trajectories, and as the season goes on I'd see other teams improvng the car more than the relatively under-funded RBR. Are they guaranteed equal engines to Renault at all stages of the season?
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Webbo will deliver I feel, maiden front-row, possible maiden pole position for the team (i would kinda bet on it in Malay, i will too ). Mclaren and Ferrari seem to be slightly out of their league, and so is Button's Honda, but I expect Mark to finish somewhere within top6 - top9 at the end of the season, huge battles with BMW, Renault and Honda #2. DC will have some solid point scorers too, I dont expect him to shine now with Mark onboard tho.
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i expect a strong season from them, points scores, they have tow decent drivers, and a newey designed car. im not jumping to conclusion yet but i think they will be ery strong in 08.
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As for Renault engine, i have reason to believe the renault would rather lose to a team running their engine than to lose to Ferrari and Mclaren. I would say top 4 and 1 win. |
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The expectations for Red Bull Renualt and Torro Rosso Ferrari would be immense, espicaly for Webber. For Webber, this is the season, score high or bye-bye F1 dream. Also, with both Red Bull teams being designed by Adrian and have the two best engine types in the whole field, Torro Rosso would be expected to score points while RBR will be expected to score podiums and wins by both Coultard and Webber.
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