Last "real" car to win Bathurst

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by Senna05

What really annoys me about this place sometimes is all of the armchair historians. I've been a member for 9 years, and for at least the past 5, there's been a growing movement of people who yearn for "Group A", or "REAL" cars, or "Production" cars.

I am a huge fan of the ATCC - In any form. It attracts the best in our nation, to compete in whatever the regulation of the day is touring car (and despite what some of you may think, our current "Blueprint" car is all but a Commodore VN Group A touring car with some nice bits!). However, I also appreciate other forms of motorsport in the country.

If I had a dollar for every time I'd heard mention of a "REAL" car winning a race, I'd be a billionaire. YET - I am 300% sure that the majority of these VERY same people are not out there supporting other forms of national or state class.

We have classes struggling for exposure, sponsorship and rounds because they simply aren't "Popular". The last Shannon's round at Eastern Creek, for example, would have had at best a few thousand people.

People here whinge, ***** and complain about a lack of "REAL" cars, yet refuse to properly support Aus GT, The Manufacturers Championship (Production) and other forms of REAL racing.

I would hazard a guess - If those of you on here REALLY wanted to see production, real, "Race on sunday, Sell on Monday" cars running around in a nationally televised championship, you would indeed get this, IF YOU WENT TO SEE THEM AT THE TRACK!!!!!

Until such a time as you can be arsed to do so, can you stop gilling REAL enthusiasts screens with gutter mouth and garbage, and accept that until you join us at race meets, the current formula is here to stay, and enjoy it for what it is - motor racing vehicles designed to look like road cars with some fantastic racers behind the wheel attempting to entertain us.

Apologies - This has been building for a LONG time.

best post ive read on here, but haters gonna hate..

[HProject]

Originally Posted by Senna05

What really annoys me about this place sometimes is all of the armchair historians. I've been a member for 9 years, and for at least the past 5, there's been a growing movement of people who yearn for "Group A", or "REAL" cars, or "Production" cars.

I am a huge fan of the ATCC - In any form. It attracts the best in our nation, to compete in whatever the regulation of the day is touring car (and despite what some of you may think, our current "Blueprint" car is all but a Commodore VN Group A touring car with some nice bits!). However, I also appreciate other forms of motorsport in the country.

If I had a dollar for every time I'd heard mention of a "REAL" car winning a race, I'd be a billionaire. YET - I am 300% sure that the majority of these VERY same people are not out there supporting other forms of national or state class.

We have classes struggling for exposure, sponsorship and rounds because they simply aren't "Popular". The last Shannon's round at Eastern Creek, for example, would have had at best a few thousand people.

People here whinge, ***** and complain about a lack of "REAL" cars, yet refuse to properly support Aus GT, The Manufacturers Championship (Production) and other forms of REAL racing.

I would hazard a guess - If those of you on here REALLY wanted to see production, real, "Race on sunday, Sell on Monday" cars running around in a nationally televised championship, you would indeed get this, IF YOU WENT TO SEE THEM AT THE TRACK!!!!!

Until such a time as you can be arsed to do so, can you stop gilling REAL enthusiasts screens with gutter mouth and garbage, and accept that until you join us at race meets, the current formula is here to stay, and enjoy it for what it is - motor racing vehicles designed to look like road cars with some fantastic racers behind the wheel attempting to entertain us.

Apologies - This has been building for a LONG time.

Completely 300% agree

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by Senna05

What really annoys me about this place sometimes is all of the armchair historians. I've been a member for 9 years, and for at least the past 5, there's been a growing movement of people who yearn for "Group A", or "REAL" cars, or "Production" cars........................................Apologies - This has been building for a LONG time.

Well said, a very good mate of mine runs in the Shannons Australian Manufactures Championship and won the National Championship for his class last year and is likely to win it this years, but who is he???????

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Henry

IIRC Gibson's GTR's were built from used units off a car lot in Tokyo, so they're eligible for starters.
I would say that if the VY was the first to be put together around the cage, then we're looking at shell-built cars up until 2001-ish.

Given that the discussion has been arguing for a couple of pages now, just how applicable the production shell is, is a moot point.

Although it didn't win anything, Garry Wilmington's EB was very much a product of its production car origins, being a couple of half-cuts from cabs IIRC...

That's what I thought.........the last of the Nissan GTRs.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by Senna05

What really annoys me about this place sometimes is all of the armchair historians. I've been a member for 9 years, and for at least the past 5, there's been a growing movement of people who yearn for "Group A", or "REAL" cars, or "Production" cars.

I am a huge fan of the ATCC - In any form. It attracts the best in our nation, to compete in whatever the regulation of the day is touring car (and despite what some of you may think, our current "Blueprint" car is all but a Commodore VN Group A touring car with some nice bits!). However, I also appreciate other forms of motorsport in the country.

If I had a dollar for every time I'd heard mention of a "REAL" car winning a race, I'd be a billionaire. YET - I am 300% sure that the majority of these VERY same people are not out there supporting other forms of national or state class.

We have classes struggling for exposure, sponsorship and rounds because they simply aren't "Popular". The last Shannon's round at Eastern Creek, for example, would have had at best a few thousand people.

People here whinge, ***** and complain about a lack of "REAL" cars, yet refuse to properly support Aus GT, The Manufacturers Championship (Production) and other forms of REAL racing.

I would hazard a guess - If those of you on here REALLY wanted to see production, real, "Race on sunday, Sell on Monday" cars running around in a nationally televised championship, you would indeed get this, IF YOU WENT TO SEE THEM AT THE TRACK!!!!!

Until such a time as you can be arsed to do so, can you stop gilling REAL enthusiasts screens with gutter mouth and garbage, and accept that until you join us at race meets, the current formula is here to stay, and enjoy it for what it is - motor racing vehicles designed to look like road cars with some fantastic racers behind the wheel attempting to entertain us.

Apologies - This has been building for a LONG time.

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

Although, for some reason or another, someone will pipe up and say you're wrong, and argue to the end of time with you over it.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Peckstar, when asked 1 + 1 do you reply "rabbit"? Lol ;p

I think youfound the Aussie equivalent of Promax

[Mr Revhead]

Holy crap all I wanted to know is the last car that wasn't scratch built!
It wasn't a dig at any type of car or racing

[Umai Naa]

Surely you'd know how things operate around here by now; All Posts May Contain Traces of Malice.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Holy crap all I wanted to know is the last car that wasn't scratch built!
It wasn't a dig at any type of car or racing

Yeah I know, you asked a moderately simple question and got a string of answers of which about 50% are useful...

I'm also interested to know!

[bluesport]

Yeah.........like having a cigarette logo avatar.......lol.........that could be having "dig" at someone.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Holy crap all I wanted to know is the last car that wasn't scratch built!
It wasn't a dig at any type of car or racing

You did nothing wrong, it is a legitimate thread topic, but some people feel threatened by it somehow.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

You did nothing wrong, it is a legitimate thread topic, but some people feel threatened by it somehow.

I dont think anyone feels threatened.

Its just a hard to answer question and probably the tongue in check heading didnt help, plus a recent trolling effort by a poster recently

plus cars have often had that many re-births as latter models or new owners its hard to know the history.

didnt the BA falcons start life on the factory floor, this could triple 8 have won bathurst in one

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Holy crap all I wanted to know is the last car that wasn't scratch built!
It wasn't a dig at any type of car or racing

"Holy crap all I wanted to know ..."

Isn't that a shared experience!

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by richie17

I reckon the last real one was the tow truck back in 92.

watching tow trucks going round bathurst aye? would've been fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Holy crap all I wanted to know is the last car that wasn't scratch built!
It wasn't a dig at any type of car or racing

IIRC Gibson's GTR's is the answer then, if only they used them in the V8's would smash the competition, like theyve done all around the world. coz godzilla's are a beast!!!!!!

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Yeah.........like having a cigarette logo avatar.......lol.........that could be having "dig" at someone.

Nah, just the Government.

[Mr Revhead]

Originally Posted by peckstar

I dont think anyone feels threatened.

Its just a hard to answer question and probably the tongue in check heading didnt help, plus a recent trolling effort by a poster recently

plus cars have often had that many re-births as latter models or new owners its hard to know the history.

didnt the BA falcons start life on the factory floor, this could triple 8 have won bathurst in one

No the BAs were scratch built.
I'm sure a lot or early supercars were started from shells, but I'm not sure. That's kinda where I was going with the topic.

[Umai Naa]

Aaron Noonan might know.

He's Noonz1 on here, or you can reach him through the V8 Sleuth website.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Nah, just the Government.

OK, fair enough.

[St00ge]

Where was that link to the article that was posted on here a while back about one of the Landsvale car, it said it was built from a special motorsport shell... So that would wipe out all but some of the lower privateers in the v8sc era but they never won a bathurst...

[Umai Naa]

I think the Lansvale cars were built from Dencar shells. Well the VN/VPs were.

[ff s conscience]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Thought I defined it in my first post... But to clarify I mean a car that started life as either a road car, or a shell off the factory floor. Yes even a walked down the line one. As long as it was a complete shell before cage was added. Not a space frame with panels hung off it. Those from the 70s are far far earlier than the last.

oh, in that case, Audi R8 LM, B12, 2011 and 2012.

Other than that, you'd have to go back to Mini Coopers.

[Mr Revhead]

****, I forgot to say "1000"

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

oh, in that case, Audi R8 LM, B12, 2011 and 2012.

Other than that, you'd have to go back to Mini Coopers.

Bravo, well said.

[ff s conscience]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

****, I forgot to say "1000"

oh, in that case, Nissan Skyline.....

[RedZedMikey]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

****, I forgot to say "1000"

How about 1998 ... Rydell/Richards Volvo S40???