x wings

jklein6419 · 27 Nov 2004, 19:28 (Ref:1165772)

hey guys i was reading about this x wing design in f1 and was wondering if any body could tell me more or had any pics.thanx

Mr V · 27 Nov 2004, 19:48 (Ref:1165782)

X-wings were first introduced in 1997 by Tyrrell, but as the cars were slow anyway, nobody took much notice of them, in 1998, other teams started using them, including Jordan, Prost and Ferrari. They were banned under asthetic and safety reasons. (Jean Alesi's right X-wing was pulled off by an air line of another team as he exitted the pits during San marino 1998)

Knowlesy · 27 Nov 2004, 20:02 (Ref:1165788)

Bernie described them as ugly, Max described them as unsafe and therefore they were never seen again after san marino 1998. Which was nice.

Marbot · 27 Nov 2004, 20:12 (Ref:1165793)

Quote:

Originally posted by knowlesy
Bernie described them as ugly, Max described them as unsafe and therefore they were never seen again after san marino 1998. Which was nice.

But they didn't ban refuelling on those narrow tracked cars.

Knowlesy · 27 Nov 2004, 20:21 (Ref:1165797)

No, refuelling is far too brilliant to ban. And narrow track cars just look fabulous and are soooo conducive to good racing.

Rich R · 28 Nov 2004, 11:49 (Ref:1166137)

i don't mind the cars being narrow, it's those stupid grooved tyres that i don't like.
jordan probably had the most asthetically pleasing x wing, and even that was dog ugly.

go-jordan · 28 Nov 2004, 12:26 (Ref:1166154)

I thoght the x-wings were deadly looking. I have a model of damon hills 198 and a rschu 198 without them and hills is much more better looking.

RWC · 28 Nov 2004, 12:35 (Ref:1166156)

One of the very rare good things max has done

I never liked the narrow cars and positively LOTHE the circumferal grooved tyres (and of course still do)

Oddly after being narrow track for awhile i relized how stupid the wide track cars looked!!
The present width is about perfect

luke · 28 Nov 2004, 16:44 (Ref:1166285)

Quote:

Originally posted by knowlesy
Bernie described them as ugly, Max described them as unsafe and therefore they were never seen again after san marino 1998. Which was nice.

Actually they were re-introduced by a number of teams at the Monaco Grand Prix in 2001.

Kid Prozac · 28 Nov 2004, 16:58 (Ref:1166295)

Quote:

Originally posted by luke
Actually they were re-introduced by a number of teams at the Monaco Grand Prix in 2001.

They weren't X-Wings, they were the wngs introduced by Jordan and Arrows immediately in front of the driver, a la Eiffeland raer view mirror...... and seen for one day only!

Knowlesy · 28 Nov 2004, 17:32 (Ref:1166316)

Yep....in fact I have a model of the Arrows with that wing!

luke · 28 Nov 2004, 18:40 (Ref:1166360)

As for the X-wings the (1997) Tyrell-Ford 025 had X-wings.

Skam85 · 29 Nov 2004, 10:44 (Ref:1166914)

What about the mooted "TIE Fighter" design, used by Ferrari aka the Evil Galactic Empire?

Oh c'mon, SOMEONE had to say it!

rustyfan · 29 Nov 2004, 10:47 (Ref:1166919)

LOL, spot on

Gore · 29 Nov 2004, 11:06 (Ref:1166932)

jklein6419,

There's a good picture of the Jordan X-wings at this website. Pciture number 3 from the Argentinian GP ("Driving his Jordan 198").

MikeHoyer · 29 Nov 2004, 15:27 (Ref:1167107)

It's no surprise they were banned really... I'd kind of forgotten about them, but they do look absolutely ridiculous!

touringcarnut · 29 Nov 2004, 20:14 (Ref:1167362)

They were something of an ugly addition, I can't say I missed them when they were gone!

Tom Horley · 29 Nov 2004, 20:56 (Ref:1167394)

haha i had forgotten about those too, no wonder they got caught on air-lines. The cars could be like fighter jets stopping on aircraft carriers! Big string across the pit bay and hey presto! No need for brakes!

jklein6419 · 30 Nov 2004, 03:37 (Ref:1167621)

thanx gore. those things are absolutley hideous!!!

Lotusonpole · 30 Nov 2004, 07:07 (Ref:1167694)

Any pics?
I remember them but can't see them in my minds eye.

Thanks
Peter

gttouring · 30 Nov 2004, 12:22 (Ref:1167967)

how much did they reallly do? they are good for a laugh, it really looked like an aerodynamic bandaid- what's the problem these things were covering up?
and those Jordans looked great
buzzin hornets

Ryo28 · 30 Nov 2004, 12:36 (Ref:1167985)

I remember Ferrari tried to 'borrow' some from Sauber, but they didn't fit the car, and were promptly banned anyway. The furore surrounding x wings was kind of hidden by the other teams trying to ban that extra brake pedal Mclaren had fitted!

Rich R · 30 Nov 2004, 21:17 (Ref:1168368)

mclaren never bothered with them anyway did they. i don't recall reading any stories at the time that they were even considering them. good thing too, i thought that 98 mclaren was a very graceful looking car.

Knowlesy · 30 Nov 2004, 21:29 (Ref:1168371)

As are most Newey designs.

Alex Hodgkinson · 30 Nov 2004, 21:54 (Ref:1168380)

http://www.ferrari-enthusiastic.com/...imola_ei12.jpg

^ the ferrari x-wings

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