2011 F1 Lineup ... - Page 2

E.B · 27 Nov 2010, 04:19 (Ref:2796307)

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Originally Posted by Ostrogothicus

Well Ricciardo is STR's 3rd driver next year and will get Friday outings aswell as doing WSR. So a slight reprieve for Buemi but heaven help either of them if Ricciardo is faster on the Fridays and they have a bad start to the season...

I think in particular Buemi needs to be very careful as to what he eats on a Friday night. STR seems it may be prone to sudden 24 hour outbreaks of 'food poisoning'.

Mr V · 30 Nov 2010, 06:24 (Ref:2797492)

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Originally Posted by Jamesy-18

Best scenario: get Heidfeld and Hulkenberg

It amazes me how many people keep wanting to see Heidfeld back, despite basiclly 10 years of nothingness.

I personally would go for Hulkenberg and Di Resta.

E.B · 30 Nov 2010, 08:00 (Ref:2797523)

Nick is one of those deceptive drivers, quicker than he looks and indeed better than he is seen by others, or so I believe.

He has only been beaten by one teamate (HHF at Jordan) during his career.

Nick Heidfeld comparison to career teamates:

2001 Sauber: Nick beat Kimi Raikkonen
2002 Sauber: Beat Massa
2003 Sauber: beaten narrowly by HHF
2004 Jordan: beat a combination of Glock and Pantano at Jordan
2005: Williams: Beat Mark Webber (more points podiums and a Pole position) up to when Nick was ousted by Williams because of his BMW alignment
2006 BMW: Beat JV up to his departure, and then beat Kubica over the final races after JV was fired.
2007 BMW: Beat Kubica easily (61-39pts and 2 podiums to none)
2008: BMW: Narrowly beaten by Kubica. NB.... Kubica inherited the Canada win from Heidfeld thanks to Team Orders. Heidfeld allowed Kubica to pass him easily when he was leading the race but on a heavy fuel load and Kubica was light. The pass was given instantly the moment Thiessen requested it, Had Nick not been so generous and swift he would have won the race.
2009 BMW: Beat Kubica. narrowly.

In all their time together at BMW Nick scored more points 8 podiums ( 6 x 2nd place 2 x 3rd) Without the win of Kubica they had the same number of podiums at 8 each. However of those Heidfeld had more second places. (6x 2nd and 2 x 3rd, Kubica was the reverse, 6x 3rd 2x 2nd)

He is also the most consistent driver in the history of F1, by a considerable number of events. He got the car to the finish to be classified in 42 consecutive races, his record ruined by a braindead Sutil spin turning into the approaching Heidfeld at Singapore 2008.
(Nico Rosberg is second highest with 27, his run terminated by a broken gearbox DNF.
MS third on 24, crashing out of his 25th.)

I admit Nick is not the quickest driver is the world, but he is technically very good in the driver > engineer communication and developing a car, and being so dependable often comes in under the radar. He is a bit too quiet in temperament and perhaps not mouthy enough.

Wims · 30 Nov 2010, 08:08 (Ref:2797526)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

It amazes me how many people keep wanting to see Heidfeld back, despite basiclly 10 years of nothingness.

I personally would go for Hulkenberg and Di Resta.

He did pretty much equal Kubica at BMW, and people are praising Kubica so it kinda makes sense that they want Quick Nick back imo

Jamesy-18 · 30 Nov 2010, 08:09 (Ref:2797527)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

It amazes me how many people keep wanting to see Heidfeld back, despite basiclly 10 years of nothingness.

I personally would go for Hulkenberg and Di Resta.

Check your statistics on that one. Remember, Nick was there or there abouts point wise on the level of Kubica, who most people rant and rave about so much. Remember also, that Heidfeld MOVED OVER in Canada '08 to let Kubica win.

F1 claims to have the best drivers in the world racing, so let's see it. Personally, I don't see the fuss about di Resta. In free practice, he did nothing to show me he's a future star, and, in fact, I think most the times the regular drivers posted quicker times than him.

What amazes ME is how many people fail to recognise the facts. Just because he's not your favourite doesn't mean he's not good.

EDIT: I agree with the two previous posts completely.

ECW Dan Selby · 30 Nov 2010, 12:00 (Ref:2797610)

The problem with Heidfeld is that he's incredibly unspectacular. The fact he doesn't seem to have too much of a strong personality doesn't help, either.

But when you look past that and look at the things that matter, you realise he's a fine pair of hands.

But personally, I think a German and a popular Indian would work quite well...

Sutil & Chandhok for me. It'd be good to see what Karun could do, and it'd certainly put an end to this whole 'is he good just because he's popular?' debate.

Saying that, they seem to be warming di Resta up, and winning the DTM couldn't have hurt his chances... di Resta and Chandhok could be good fun, but it seems a little risky on paper.

Selby

Wims · 30 Nov 2010, 18:46 (Ref:2797777)

Autosport is reporting this preliminary entry list:

Red Bull Racing

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Mark Webber

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes

3. Jenson Button
4. Lewis Hamilton

Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro

5. Fernando Alonso
6. Felipe Massa

Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team

7. Michael Schumacher
8. Nico Rosberg

Renault F1 Team

9. Robert Kubica
10. TBA

AT&T Williams

11. Rubens Barrichello
12. TBA

Force India F1 Team

14. TBA
15. TBA

Sauber F1 Team

16. Kamui Kobayashi
17. Sergio Perez

Scuderia Toro Rosso

18. TBA
19. TBA

Team Lotus

20. Jarno Trulli
21. Heikki Kovalainen

HRT F1 Team

22. TBA
23. TBA

Marussia Virgin Racing

24. TBA
25. TBA

**Bononi** · 30 Nov 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2797780)

Bruno Senna: negotiations failed with Lotus.

Hawkwood · 30 Nov 2010, 19:23 (Ref:2797788)

According to Aleshin an announcement about his F1 involvement for next year is 'imminent':
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/165312/...d_f1_deal.html

The pressure on Buemi and Alguersuari, and ironically on Ricciardo, increases yet again:
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/165313/...f1_winner.html

**chunterer** · 30 Nov 2010, 19:54 (Ref:2797802)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Bruno Senna: negotiations failed with Lotus.

And Trulli is indeed continuing with 'Lotus.'

Not sure why that is the case, but anyhow....

jab · 30 Nov 2010, 20:08 (Ref:2797814)

No love for Sutil here? He did very well this year under the radar - same number of points as Rubens and beat his team mate regularly

And Liuzzi does have a contract

Unlikely that the Force India line-up will change, but if it does, di Resta will come in. I think Hulkenberg's a red herring and Heidfeld's (unfortunately) probably finished

Hawkwood · 30 Nov 2010, 21:02 (Ref:2797840)

I'm not sure about FI's lineup - almost everyone is certain that Sutil will be staying (only one or two doubting websites in that regard - one, and I can't remember which had Sutil going to Merc as their third driver!) but most sites are split about whether Liuzzi, Di Resta, or now Hulk will get the other seat. But most that I've seen still seem to reckon that Di Resta is likely to step up.

I'd love for both Di Resta and Hulk to be in F1 next year, why not both at FI

blaffer · 30 Nov 2010, 21:03 (Ref:2797841)

Boullier has said he doesn't want a rookie alongside Kubica anymore. Imo, Sutil and Hülkenberg are favourites for the second Renault seat, which would enable di Resta to sign with Force India.

p-matt · 30 Nov 2010, 23:41 (Ref:2797902)

I wouldn't rule out Sutil at Williams. If Williams wanted Maldonado they probably would have signed him by now.

Robbe · 1 Dec 2010, 01:06 (Ref:2797921)

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Originally Posted by blaffer

Boullier has said he doesn't want a rookie alongside Kubica anymore.

Petrov is no rookie next season. I can't see him being replaced.

strider · 1 Dec 2010, 09:37 (Ref:2797998)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Bruno Senna: negotiations failed with Lotus.

That's a shame, because he is much better than his performances this year in the HRT have suggested and that has changed peoples' perception of him.

**chunterer** · 1 Dec 2010, 11:36 (Ref:2798057)

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Originally Posted by Robbe

Petrov is no rookie next season. I can't see him being replaced.

It all depends on what money comes from the Lotus angle I guess. If Genii/Enstone can raise enough money through any deal coming up to do without Petrov, then they will sign someone else i'm sure.

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Originally Posted by strider

That's a shame, because he is much better than his performances this year in the HRT have suggested and that has changed peoples' perception of him.

Yes he bloody is, I hope we haven't seen the last of Bruno in F1 for the moment?

**bella** · 1 Dec 2010, 14:50 (Ref:2798164)

god on earth, they've confirmed maldonado in a williams seat for 2011. that's it, the apocalypse is nigh.

Robin_D · 1 Dec 2010, 15:07 (Ref:2798172)

And so are some hefty repair bills for Sir Frank.

skells22 · 1 Dec 2010, 19:36 (Ref:2798278)

I say wait and see on the gp2 champion but at least that is another seat filled.

Jamesy-18 · 1 Dec 2010, 20:20 (Ref:2798298)

Disappointed by William's decision really. As I've said before, I find it funny for a driver who's essentially been part of the team for a couple of years now and who destroyed Maldonado in GP2 in 2009, has been dropped from the team just because somebody has a bigger bank balance than him.

Shame on you Williams.

Hawkwood · 1 Dec 2010, 20:21 (Ref:2798299)

Planet F1's article about Maldonado at Williams:
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/65...-For-Williiams
Interestingly, about half way down, they say that Hulk is expected at FI next year, with either Sutil or Liuzzi to make way - so no seat for Di Resta after all?

**bella** · 1 Dec 2010, 21:53 (Ref:2798349)

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Originally Posted by skells22

I say wait and see on the gp2 champion but at least that is another seat filled.

no need. his performance at monza and abu dhabi in the gp2 races should have told you all you needed to know about him.

Super Hans · 1 Dec 2010, 22:02 (Ref:2798358)

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Originally Posted by Jamesy-18

Shame on you Williams.

Because they've selected a driver with backing? Shame on almost every team in motorsport history then.

Mr V · 2 Dec 2010, 04:53 (Ref:2798434)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Nick Heidfeld comparison to career teamates:

2001 Sauber: Nick beat Kimi Raikkonen

2002 Sauber: Beat Massa
2003 Sauber: beaten narrowly by HHF
2004 Jordan: beat a combination of Glock and Pantano at Jordan
2005: Williams: Beat Mark Webber (more points podiums and a Pole position) up to when Nick was ousted by Williams because of his BMW alignment
2006 BMW: Beat JV up to his departure, and then beat Kubica over the final races after JV was fired.
2007 BMW: Beat Kubica easily (61-39pts and 2 podiums to none)
2008: BMW: Narrowly beaten by Kubica. NB.... Kubica inherited the Canada win from Heidfeld thanks to Team Orders. Heidfeld allowed Kubica to pass him easily when he was leading the race but on a heavy fuel load and Kubica was light. The pass was given instantly the moment Thiessen requested it, Had Nick not been so generous and swift he would have won the race.
2009 BMW: Beat Kubica. narrowly.

2001 Kimi was the rookie, yet got the McLaren seat.
2002 Massa - rookie
2003 beaten by a more experienced team mate
2004 Glock and Pantano rookies
2005 agree that he did a better job than Webber
2006 agree that he did a better job than Villeneuve, Kubica rookie
2007 Kubica still classed as a rookie imo
2008 lost out once Kubica gained momentum
2009 fair play, narrowly beat Kubica

But to be fair, he's hardly set the world alight.

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