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Old 7 Mar 2018, 23:20 (Ref:3806751)   #181
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To be replaced with what brand do you think?
Chev. It's what V6 Commodore drivers have wanted for years. Just look at the badge engineering they do....

In all seriousness. From a global perspective and in a world of 'Global platforms' Chevrolet makes more sense. To Detroit anyway.



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I reckon in the next 2-3 years, we'll be seeing a very different tin top catagory.


The next 10 years is going to see huge change in the auto industry. No doubt racing will too.


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Old 7 Mar 2018, 23:46 (Ref:3806754)   #182
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The next 10 years is going to see huge change in the auto industry. No doubt racing will too.
You are seeing it already. Overwhelmingly what you get on the road are SUV's (Be it a ute or a jacked up people mover type thing) or small cars. So do you want a Corolla or a Ranger?

There are few medium/large cars in circulation, certainly not the biggest volume cars like they used to be.

On that basis the future of motorsport in Australia is superutes and Hyundai Excel cups.
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You are seeing it already. Overwhelmingly what you get on the road are SUV's (Be it a ute or a jacked up people mover type thing) or small cars. So do you want a Corolla or a Ranger?

There are few medium/large cars in circulation, certainly not the biggest volume cars like they used to be.

On that basis the future of motorsport in Australia is superutes and Hyundai Excel cups.
you left out the growing trend towards E vehicles
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Old 7 Mar 2018, 23:51 (Ref:3806756)   #184
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you left out the growing trend towards E vehicles
Load of crap that it is when the majority of population in Australia get electricity from coal...
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You are seeing it already. Overwhelmingly what you get on the road are SUV's (Be it a ute or a jacked up people mover type thing) or small cars. So do you want a Corolla or a Ranger?

There are few medium/large cars in circulation, certainly not the biggest volume cars like they used to be.

On that basis the future of motorsport in Australia is superutes and Hyundai Excel cups.
The party is over for dual cabs, tax man is coming and nobody will buy them after, because they are inefficient, unsafe rubbish

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Old 8 Mar 2018, 00:06 (Ref:3806758)   #185
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Load of crap that it is when the majority of population in Australia get electricity from coal...
while factual in Australia, Doesn't mean wont be relevant going forward, Already manufacturers are working in this area. Its the only real area of performance manufacturers are working in
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 00:14 (Ref:3806759)   #186
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The party is over for dual cabs, tax man is coming and nobody will buy them after, because they are inefficient, unsafe rubbish
To be fair they have always been inefficient, unsafe and rubbish (Horrible to drive too) but that never stopped anyone buying them.
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 00:17 (Ref:3806760)   #187
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you left out the growing trend towards E vehicles
It is a trend but atleast around where I live it is working off a vanishingly small base. There are very few hybrids let alone straight EV's. Maybe the V8 supercar of the future will be a 4 cylinder hybrid.
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It is a trend but atleast around where I live it is working off a vanishingly small base. There are very few hybrids let alone straight EV's. Maybe the V8 supercar of the future will be a 4 cylinder hybrid.
No doubt its a small base, But isnt that why manufacturers invest in motorsport. To increase the base and to develop the new vehicles.

In saying that i look out my window and there are 8 electric vehicles i can see (but that would be abnormal)
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 00:33 (Ref:3806765)   #189
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No doubt its a small base, But isnt that why manufacturers invest in motorsport. To increase the base and to develop the new vehicles.

In saying that i look out my window and there are 8 electric vehicles i can see (but that would be abnormal)
When I go past the work car park all I see are utes (for the plebs), Corollas etc (mostly for people who don't care about cars and the lady folk) and Prado's etc (For the managerial types, invariably on lease).

There are no hybrids of any sort.

On the flip side there is atleast one VZ with a Chev badge on it.

Which is not to say a decent hybrid or EV is not a long term option. Will see if Tesla survives as nothing much else looks much chop. Cant be if the Camry looks to be among the best of the conventional bodied car options with a hybrid drivetrain.
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Old 10 Mar 2018, 08:38 (Ref:3807197)   #190
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The penny hasn't dropped yet but it eventually will. Since we exterminated the car manufacturing industry, the government not wanting to support it and the consumer not wanting to buy what the domestic industry was offering the future is going to be that we drive what is made for the rest of the world and if that is EV's then so be it and you and I will have no choice or say in it. Hybrids are a passing phase that will in the future be looked on with some curiosity as to why they were ever made. This will take decades of course but it will happen. You can whinge and moan and criticise all you want but it won't change the facts.
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Load of crap that it is when the majority of population in Australia get electricity from coal...
The party is over for dual cabs, tax man is coming and nobody will buy them after, because they are inefficient, unsafe rubbish

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It is only a matter of time-20 years at most-until renewables have completely replaced fossil fuels as source of electricity.This is why no financial institution will lend money for a new coal fired power station or mine.Only vested interests and the politicians they have bought deny this (and anyone deluded enough to believe their nonsense).
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The penny hasn't dropped yet but it eventually will. Since we exterminated the car manufacturing industry, the government not wanting to support it and the consumer not wanting to buy what the domestic industry was offering the future is going to be that we drive what is made for the rest of the world and if that is EV's then so be it and you and I will have no choice or say in it. Hybrids are a passing phase that will in the future be looked on with some curiosity as to why they were ever made. This will take decades of course but it will happen. You can whinge and moan and criticise all you want but it won't change the facts.
Hence too the infusion of CVT and highly-strung twin clutch autos at the expense of perfectly good torque-converter autoboxes, and the virtual extinction of conventional manual gearbox motor cars...

So what do you do? Plonk down lots of money for something you are never going to like?

Or go hunting on CarSales for the same thing you have now, looking out for the low mileage needle-in-a-haystack pensioner’s special?

Our company carpark has just about every mainstream brand and model in it. No consistent pattern of buying behaviour, except there must be some science experiment that could produce the formula of ‘the bigger the car/SUV/4x4/Ute, the less elegant the parking capability’

The carpark was re-linemarked just before Christmas, with a now dedicated area for the wider than average vehicles to have a special spot so as not to take up 2 regular spaces...

Its not an uncommon thing apparently..
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Have a look at the history of the small auto and you begin to understand why the DSG and CVT style transmissions were developed.

The Europeans in the late 80's and Volkswagen in particular along with the Japanese worked out that if they were going to sell cars in the US they needed auto transmissions and the torque converter transmission at the time was a horsepower gobbling thing due to the torque converter and the small low horsepower motors these companies made did not work well with them.

The only choice was to develop another style of transmission so they did. I suspect that with the introduction of new low speed lock electronically controlled converters and autos that the DSG will have a short life as the new TC and ten speeds do a better job. Audi in their latest cars has begun to dump the DSG in favour of a TC style transmission and I reckon the rest of the group will follow as new models roll out.

As I said before, we are going to buy what is produced with no say in it, your contention that the used car market is the answer is like putting your finger in the dyke, it is a finite view that has a definite end so you can forget that one as a long term answer. A big driver in the world car market is China, they have mandated a huge increase in non emitting cars starting from I think the early 20's to something like +10% of total production from any manufacturer who wants to sell cars in their domestic market hence the rush by the European manufacturers to develop these cars by 2020.

None of them can afford to be left out of the Chinese market as the traditional markets have matured and are showing signs of shrinking which must frighten the hell out of them. Everyone thinks the Euros are going electric because it is a trendy thing to do but the bans being forecast and the need to sell vehicles in China is really what it is all about. Left on their own they would not be so gung ho about the whole thing.

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Have a look at the history of the small auto and you begin to understand why the DSG and CVT style transmissions were developed.

The Europeans in the late 80's and Volkswagen in particular along with the Japanese worked out that if they were going to sell cars in the US they needed auto transmissions and the torque converter transmission at the time was a horsepower gobbling thing due to the torque converter and the small low horsepower motors these companies made did not work well with them.

The only choice was to develop another style of transmission so they did. I suspect that with the introduction of new low speed lock electronically controlled converters and autos that the DSG will have a short life as the new TC and ten speeds do a better job. Audi in their latest cars has begun to dump the DSG in favour of a TC style transmission and I reckon the rest of the group will follow as new models roll out.

As I said before, we are going to buy what is produced with no say in it, your contention that the used car market is the answer is like putting your finger in the dyke, it is a finite view that has a definite end so you can forget that one as a long term answer. A big driver in the world car market is China, they have mandated a huge increase in non emitting cars starting from I think the early 20's to something like +10% of total production from any manufacturer who wants to sell cars in their domestic market hence the rush by the European manufacturers to develop these cars by 2020.

None of them can afford to be left out of the Chinese market as the traditional markets have matured and are showing signs of shrinking which must frighten the hell out of them. Everyone thinks the Euros are going electric because it is a trendy thing to do but the bans being forecast and the need to sell vehicles in China is really what it is all about. Left on their own they would not be so gung ho about the whole thing.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uota-from-2019
The banning of diesel in many European countries will also shape that conversation.

The Koreans and Chinese have trialled many paths, including a relatively long standing technology in LPG. LPG was a staple for taxi fleets here for 30+ years, and as they switched to hybrids, the fuel source got replaced.. I was in a cab the other day that was Hybrid/Electric/Petrol/LPG.. a Camry.. where even though the fuel use from petrol/LPG is much smaller than the relatively guzzling Falcons of not so long ago, the price differential on the fuel, the new tech on the fuel delivery/injection, and how much cheaper conversion is now (sub $3000 from a Direct OEM-supported Centre Of Excellence) makes a compelling case to relook at the technology.

Other markets in the world are re-embracing LPG, including the US, where massive work in underway by the likes of Caterpillar and Cummins to develop clean Mid size truck & bus engines, and stationary power generation engines, for world markets.

Diesel is dying... what are we going to replace it with?
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