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Old 14 Oct 2007, 04:16 (Ref:2039602)   #1
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Methinks that ever since he went to Ch 7 he started taking himself far too seriously. I guess someone has to. I found him at the Bathurst 12 hour to be the most aloof of all the Subaru drivers. Cody, Chris Atkinson, Chris Alajaian, Neil Crompton and Dean Herridge were easy to talk to.
And each of the blokes you mention, other than Mr Denyer, have some idea about the rhythm of being in a race car... having perfected the mechanical art of sitting behind the wheel of a racing car, changing gears, slowing down, cornering etc etc... whereas you could say that Mr Denyer, not being as experienced, could well benefit from a little guidance in this area

The intensity is usually up... when the result is mega important...
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Old 14 Oct 2007, 04:45 (Ref:2039607)   #2
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Maybe, but three of them are rally drivers, inexpeienced in the art of overtaking at racing speeds, etc. although Chris had just come from Nurburgring. I spoke to him about that place and he reckons it is the best track in the world. He loved it. Goes to show that maybe rally drivers really are the best drivers after all.
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Old 14 Oct 2007, 08:55 (Ref:2039651)   #3
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Richards, Fury, Bond, not a bad start

(IIRC Brock didn't rally till later)
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Old 14 Oct 2007, 10:29 (Ref:2039695)   #4
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Brock rallyed the GTR remember the Giant Killer fly torry and of course the 79 round Aust

its funny My Mum who is 75 goes off every time Grant comes on the TV,
calls him a fake annoying little man

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Old 14 Oct 2007, 11:08 (Ref:2039718)   #5
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Old 15 Oct 2007, 00:06 (Ref:2040369)   #6
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Actually purchased AA last Friday (had to fill in 2 hour wait while car was being serviced) and found an interesting article about Neil Bates swapping cars with a Drifter.

Now that's a real Tar Baby vs Rallying story.
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Old 15 Oct 2007, 00:44 (Ref:2040382)   #7
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The 2nd Neal's on Wheels did a good job in the rally car like a drifter.

And at Bathurst in mostly uncompetitive cars.

Pity he doesnt have a regular call up every October
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Old 15 Oct 2007, 00:45 (Ref:2040384)   #8
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Not sure exactly what this thread is about, but Neal Bates has certainly achieved a lot on both the racing circuits and rally roads across this country. The story goes that Glenn Seton jumped in the passenger seat of his rally car at Calder one day and was so amazed at his car control that he offered him a drive of his Falcon on the same day - Seton liked what he saw and offered him the co-driving gig at Bathurst for that year.

Give me the car control and sheer lunacy of a top rally driver any day...

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Looks like its about whether rally drivers or circuit racers are the better drivers.

Nice pic of the HDT car

OHOS But an expensive one now I bet
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Old 15 Oct 2007, 03:25 (Ref:2040421)   #10
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that car there ran in aparrantly was a test mule that Harry gave to Brock it ran in the tarmac races, drags, then rally, then rally x, then super rally x.
with a red motor then a super charged red, then a v8
he had him out every weekend

the thing was to give it to Brock and see what it could do, what would brake, what to improve. and to give the Young Brock race miles to hone his skills

wouldnt you like to see Lee Holsworth or someone given sothing like that to play with these days

maybe the ole silver fox had the right idea

someone employ Harry quick
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Richards, Fury, Bond, not a bad start

(IIRC Brock didn't rally till later)
The first three started as rally drivers, then moved to Circuit.
PB didn't

Personally I think Farmer George is one of the most underrated drivers that Australia has ever had, just the nature of the guy that when the the popular heads were hogging the media in the blue and red camps Fury was quite happy to just drive for the love of driving. Even in Rally you had perpetual wag Dunkerton a media favourite.
Developing cars that were usually hampered by colloquial rules or, in the case of the early Group A Skylines, a manufacture who didn't have a full handle on the intricacy of witting a FIA homologation document i the way Ford and BMW did ... there is no reason a Group A DR30 or 31 Skyline couldn't have been the equal to a Sierra, by the time they did learn (with the R32) Nissan racing had moved from Marsden to Gibson and Fury had been out of the circle for 3 or 4 years... (only getting enduro drives). So he packed his boots, retired to the farm to spend more time with the kids, including driving the infamous school bus, entered 2 more rallies as a favour to help develop a VR4 for someone (can't remember who), he won both of them after a 8 year break from rally. I don't think he has driven competitively since, I guess he would be in his 60's now
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So what is this argument calling out for, a mid-70s "Tour of Britain" style event, a 3 or 4 day 'rally' consisting of special stages & circuit racing. Perhaps in Group N type machinary?

Could be interesting.....
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The first three started as rally drivers, then moved to Circuit.
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Personally I think Farmer George is one of the most underrated drivers that Australia has ever had, just the nature of the guy that when the the popular heads were hogging the media in the blue and red camps Fury was quite happy to just drive for the love of driving. Even in Rally you had perpetual wag Dunkerton a media favourite.
Developing cars that were usually hampered by colloquial rules or, in the case of the early Group A Skylines, a manufacture who didn't have a full handle on the intricacy of witting a FIA homologation document i the way Ford and BMW did ... there is no reason a Group A DR30 or 31 Skyline couldn't have been the equal to a Sierra, by the time they did learn (with the R32) Nissan racing had moved from Marsden to Gibson and Fury had been out of the circle for 3 or 4 years... (only getting enduro drives). So he packed his boots, retired to the farm to spend more time with the kids, including driving the infamous school bus, entered 2 more rallies as a favour to help develop a VR4 for someone (can't remember who), he won both of them after a 8 year break from rally. I don't think he has driven competitively since, I guess he would be in his 60's now
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Interestingly, Fred Gibson, stated in Australian Muscle Car Magazine that the Bluebirds were at times running way outside the rules.

Fury got the short end of the stick. When times got tough at Nissan Seton left. Fury, I think, would have been more loyal.
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Mr Fury was dumped... replaced by Richo & Skaife.... one last Bathurst with Mr Seton's outfit then back to bus driving...

Although... he led the ARC in a near standard VR4 back in 1990(?) against some real elswisho gear... till the team's money ran out...
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I thought Colin Bond did circuit racing before rallying.
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