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Old 19 Nov 2013, 12:13 (Ref:3333596)   #26
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interesting to see that as global economies are supposedly turning a corner F1 finally suffers the chill of recession as sponsored drives evaporate.
One needs to be careful about whom one would include in that catagory, as, for example, the 7 time World Champion Michael Schumacher was a sponsored (pay driver) whilst he was at Ferrari. If I am not mistaken, his salary was paid by Philip Morris (Marlboro cancer sticks, etc.), although Schumacher shouldn't be compared/confused with some of the pay drivers that make up the current F1 grid or even those of his time. He was a tad better than them.
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Old 19 Nov 2013, 12:59 (Ref:3333610)   #27
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I get the impression that, like so many 'industry awards', it's just the great and the good awarding themselves cups and titles on a 'buggins turn' principle. I don't think it's of any great importance.
My thoughts exactly but I was afraid I'd be called an old curmudgeon so I didn't say it.
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Old 19 Nov 2013, 13:22 (Ref:3333621)   #28
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This isn't a lighthearted thread. It's a serious thread that happens to be conducted by lighthearted people.

The International Historic Wotsit Awards are clearly so important that few people had heard of them, and now that you've had your chippy tea at the station caff the organisers obviously agree because the 2013 winners are hidden away in the middle of a press release on their web site, in type so small that the target demographic is unlikely to be able to read it!

Shame, it could be good, but it's an odd time of year to have an award bash and doesn't seem to be tied into anything else in the historic world. Could have been something good as a central point of the Race Retro show, something for us exhibitors to do on the Friday night.
So are you saying that I might of won something now Max.
Must say our JT has mellowed these days, I would of had a phone call by now.
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Old 19 Nov 2013, 13:36 (Ref:3333624)   #29
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My thoughts exactly but I was afraid I'd be called an old curmudgeon so I didn't say it.
Don't apologise Max. We 'grumpy old men' must stand up and be counted.
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Old 19 Nov 2013, 16:53 (Ref:3333710)   #31
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So are you saying that I might of won something now Max.
No idea mate, it's so small I can't read it! Makes me cross, these marketing departments are paid good money and still manage to **** it up, I'd get it right for half what they're paid.......
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Old 19 Nov 2013, 17:22 (Ref:3333727)   #32
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Old 19 Nov 2013, 17:57 (Ref:3333753)   #33
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Old 19 Nov 2013, 18:11 (Ref:3333767)   #34
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No idea mate, it's so small I can't read it! Makes me cross, these marketing departments are paid good money and still manage to **** it up, I'd get it right for half what they're paid.......
Have to agree, Max. Out of curiosity I did a search for Octane magazine's website (as the IHMA thing seems to be their baby) to see if they had the award winners. Eventually found it under "classicandperformancecar.com' just to confuse things! Yes, the news section carries the press release.

With regard to Motorsport Event of the Year, last year it was Goodwood Revival, so no surprise that the Classic got the award this time. I'd have given it to the Zandvoort Historic Grand Prix, which from what I've been told was amazing. Maybe as Masters F1 got Race Series award it was deemed inappropriate...

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Old 20 Nov 2013, 08:26 (Ref:3334116)   #35
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JT seems to think this is a joke thread, but far from it. I think it's a right royal farce that a company sets itself up as the "International" whatever awards, stings you for 150 smackers PLUS Chancellor's Premium, dishes gongs out then neglects to make a song and dance about it either before or afterwards.

This degrades Historic motor racing, reduces our (your) efforts to the level of a company in-house bash hosted by Alan Partridge..."And the customer service award, south east region, Kent sub-division, for part-time staff, goes to Jean from Tunbridge Wells!" Quick photo of Jean looking embarrassed, then on to Surrey sub-division.

If it were really a special ceremony it would be broadcast high wide and handsome, soliciting entries from across the spectrum of historic motor sport. Say what you like about "Autosport", their annual awards have set the standard for motor racing awards. Full engagement with their readership and beyond.

I'll say no more in case I get libellous!

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Old 20 Nov 2013, 08:39 (Ref:3334125)   #36
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Max, it rapidly degenerated into a lighthearted thread and you have explained very well, from your point of view, why, in your last post! I suspect many might agree with you!
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I seem to remember that a few years ago these awards did get a lot of publicity and there was a do at Race Retro. Perhaps this year they did not get a sponsor or one of the magazines to back them?
There are often these sort of awards and they ask for nominations. I've foolishly nomiated local, regional events and clubs but it is always the big players that get them, totally ignoring the many excellent events run by volunteers on a not for profit basis, often raising money for charity. I wonder how much Goodwood and the Silverstone Classic give to good causes compared with the many smaller events around the country?
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Old 20 Nov 2013, 10:14 (Ref:3334150)   #38
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at the end of the day who really cares? The big events and privately owned circuits like Castle Combe will get speccies regardless and competitors already know where they wish to race so it really is irrelevant who is voted best or worst....
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Old 20 Nov 2013, 11:34 (Ref:3334199)   #39
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I have the impression that many of these series are run by very rich men for very rich men, and if that is the case, then I see no problem with them awarding themselves any accolade they can think of.
Whether the proletariat places any value on the affair is entirely up to the individual, however, if someone who is not in the mega rich bracket enters the series, but fails to get a mention I can see why they may be upset, however, that is one of the perils of mixing with billionaires.
I have no personal problem with anyone spending their money anyway they like, probably because I have never been good at hanging on to my own.

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I guess I'm somewhat ambivalent. Award ceremonies are fun for the participants so the HSCC dinner dance, or Masters or MRL whoever, are fun. Having some kind of historic "oscars" for the great and the good seems a bit irrelevant anyway.

I'm afraid I have this picture in my mind of an award for the historic racer of the year and upon receiving it Gordon S leaps into a tearful speech thanking "the world, his wife, Larkins, ...." I'll stop there before I have nightmares.
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OK I get the message. Sodom Hall. I'll wind me neck back in and take a chill pill for another year.

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OK I get the message. Sodom Hall. I'll wind me neck back in and take a chill pill for another year.

Aaaand....RELAX!
Truth be told MM I rather like the idea of you as a curmudgeon, we could do with a few Mr. Grouser's on the forum, liven thing up a bit. No more Mr Nice Guy!!

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I'm afraid I have this picture in my mind of an award for the historic racer of the year and upon receiving it Gordon S leaps into a tearful speech thanking "the world, his wife, Larkins, ...." I'll stop there before I have nightmares.
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Is my award going to be presented to me in the UK or Spain ?
It's obviously going to be a big do with stars and celebs and I might even wear some clothes !!
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It's obviously going to be a big do with stars and celebs and I might even wear some clothes !!
Don' worry about the clothes, we can post it to you.
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