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Old 3 Aug 2019, 14:50 (Ref:3920986)   #51
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... racing against a field of drivers who mostly have got fairly limited fwd TCR experience...
The lack of front wheel drive racing at the forefront of Australian motorsport is a worry. Even though front wheel drive cars are inherently wrong for vehicle dynamics, the fact of the matter is you just cannot buy small rear wheel drive four/five door passenger cars -- now that BMW has replaced the 1 series with a front wheel drive model, they simply don't exist!

To represent the marketplace, front wheel drives should have been raced more prominently since long ago.

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Megane is using Clio 1.6 block that was enlarged to 1.8, and then they installed crankshaft from Nissan Sentra and they are using turbo from Mercedes A-Class.
Some Frankenstein, but since Renault is dumping all money in stupid F1 project there is nothing to support these cars, they only give Vukovic their blessing
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Old 3 Aug 2019, 15:16 (Ref:3920992)   #52
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Also amusing how many mechanical issues we're seeing. Just like in Europe, road car parts are vulnerable and fragile, these cars will never approach bespoke race car reliability.

I'd love to see them in an invitational class at the 12hr but I wonder how many would finish.
Maybe because they aren't bespoke race cars! These are proper touring cars.

Wondering how many would finish an enduro is kinda the point of an endurance race isn't it?
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Old 3 Aug 2019, 22:12 (Ref:3921043)   #53
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Apparently there's a spare Opel engine trackside.
Apparently there is not. Car withdrawn

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Old 3 Aug 2019, 23:40 (Ref:3921046)   #54
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Honda and Volkswagen have completely standard engines, identical to the road car. It's only 350hp, not a big ask when the standard road car tune (with restrictive catalytic converter and a need to last for 300,000km) already makes 300hp.

Honda Civic Type R K20C1 production crate engine for $8,000 is a lot cheaper than Supercar's Aurora block Chevrolet for $100,000!
And yet, despite the alleged low low prices, a Subaru and an Opel are sitting in the sheds because of a lack of spare power plants. And a Renault not making the race yesterday for the same issue.

If there were genuine commercial sponsors on the cars, you can’t imagine they would be impressed...
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 01:11 (Ref:3921051)   #55
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Because it means the racing is (was) only close because all the drivers are equally off the pace, rather than equally on the pace!

It means it is very likely a driver could win TCR Australia, then enter WTCR cup and be right down the back, which would be rather embarrassing... it would be better for the series to be at a world class level so drivers could go from TCR Australia to other TCR races and actually be on the pace.
So a domestic series not even halfway through the first season should be be on the level of the World Championship?
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Honda and Volkswagen have completely standard engines, identical to the road car. It's only 350hp, not a big ask when the standard road car tune (with restrictive catalytic converter and a need to last for 300,000km) already makes 300hp.
I'm glad two out of 8 manufacturers are using their road car engines in their production race cars...

Mind you none of them are using production gearboxes anymore, since Honda basically admitted theirs couldn't cut it so everybody had to change to the Sadev. Do you not see the death of a thousand paper cuts here? Supercars also started with production engines.

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And yet, despite the alleged low low prices, a Subaru and an Opel are sitting in the sheds because of a lack of spare power plants. And a Renault not making the race yesterday for the same issue.
It seems short-sighted, but some of the car purchases were definitely left-field, if not crazy.

It is as if the promoter was so interested in getting the brands here nobody did any due diligence...
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 02:52 (Ref:3921056)   #57
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I'm sure if the category had its time again,.it would have bought the two HP International Astras as they rolled off the track at Hockenheim last year.

They were fast, and reliable, and most importantly won the two drivers championships on offer in TCR Germany.
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 03:00 (Ref:3921057)   #58
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Vernay out due to illness, Aaron Seton replacing him:
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 03:00 (Ref:3921058)   #59
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JKV withdraws due to illness.

Aaron Seton drafted in.
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since Honda basically admitted theirs couldn't cut it so everybody had to change to the Sadev.
Do you mean the VW and Audi with the factory DSG?

TCR has never allowed standard manual gearboxes as far as I know. The Honda Civic Type R TCR never used the factory manual AFAIK. It also doesn't use the dual-axis front suspension because that is not allowed -- it used a standard McPhearson strut layout as per a standard Civic (hence "FK7" chassis designation like a base Civic instead of "FK8" like the road Type R).

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Supercars also started with production engines.
Production blocks but not production standard from a XR8 or SS by any means.

The TCR engines are, in theory, completely standard like a production touring car -- at least in the Civic Type R. Given the road car already makes 300hp, why would you rebuild the engine in order to have it make 350hp? That's silly -- an intake, exhaust and tune easily gets the engine to 350hp reliable hp. Factory crankshaft, factory cams, factory conrod, factory pistons, factory porting, factory turbo, factory timing gear -- completely standard engine.

Honda isn't responsible for the lesser quality of engineering of other manufacturers!

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Old 4 Aug 2019, 03:30 (Ref:3921061)   #61
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Do you not see the death of a thousand paper cuts here?
No, because the Civic Type R never used the standard manual gearbox in the first place. That's misinformation there, almost as if there is a bias against the category!

The original SEAT Leon Cupra cars used the factory DSG (never the manual as that was not allowed), and most of the SEATs in TCR have changed to the stronger racing sequential gearbox (as per all the other manufacturers).

It's not ground breaking news that a Volkswagen DSG is not exactly the most reliable gearbox in the world -- plenty of road going VW enthusiasts with faulty mechatronics units can attest to that!

While Honda manual gearboxes are not perfect, I would be more worried about the Opel if factory manual transmissions had to be used! IIRC, the factory General Motors M20 gearbox is notoriously unreliable even in road going Astra VXRs and road going Astra diesels... The bearings tend to go bad, because the gearbox is poorly designed.
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 03:39 (Ref:3921064)   #62
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Mr Ingall's doing well in 2nd place, while Mr Seton Jr is trailing at the end with the KR Subaru - which was dispatched after the start, and appears to be leaking fuel.
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The Bright Golfs seem to be less and less competitive and less reliable as the season goes on.

A symptom of a long racing life, and lack of budget too?
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Speaking of spare parts, Mr Brown is on the teev suggesting that HMO Customer Racing has seen rotor wear on the Hyundai, and that they have run out of rotors to replace them with...
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Speaking of spare parts, Mr Brown is on the teev suggesting that HMO Customer Racing has seen rotor wear on the Hyundai, and that they have run out of rotors to replace them with...
Oh dear.

Mr Albert Bierman would not be pleased. Do Hyundai Motorsport provide a range of rotor and pad options, or have they failed their customers with subpar brakes?
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Ms Taylor's Subaru is now haemorrhaging.
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Oh dear.

Mr Albert Bierman would not be pleased. Do Hyundai Motorsport provide a range of rotor and pad options, or have they failed their customers with subpar brakes?
FYI. I can assure you that their is no issue with the supply of the Brembo Brake rotors that the Hyundai i30N TCR is homologated with, there is also no requirement that you have to purchase the rotor from Hyundai Motorsport.

The New Zealand Distributor for Brembo Racing and Performance, Racer Products has them in stock.

As for pads you are also free to use what ever brake pad you want, again Racer Products stocks Brembo's recommended RB 340 TCR brake pads.

I can't believe it would be any different in Australia.

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The Enforcer three times on the podium.
Is he still so good or are the other drivers so bad?
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Wise head.

Knows the track very well, knows how to manage the tyres, and quite fond of a car with functioning aero.
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A symptom of a long racing life
Most likely. He's been around since before many of the other drivers in the field were born or still in nappies.
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I was referring to the cars...

They weren't exactly new when he bought them.
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About gearboxes, ever TCR car (except DSG Cupra, Audi and VW) uses 6 speed sequential gearbox.
Audi, Alfa, Cupra, Honda FK2, Lada, Opel (Vauxhall, Holden), Peugeot and VW uses Sadev
Honda FK8, Hyundai, Kia and Lynk&Co, uses XTrac
Renault uses 3MO
Subaru uses Modena Engineering
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I was referring to the cars...

They weren't exactly new when he bought them.
I know, but I couldn't resist.
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With so many reliability issues this weekend it seems the tide of public opinion has turned pretty badly on the Facebook groups. Fickle fans indeed
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O'Keefe has done well in the Alfa again this weekend - it seems to be pretty quick where ever it has been so far.

O'Keefe should concentrate on the TCR rather than V8 - he could have a bright future overseas in TCR
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