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2 May 2006, 11:59 (Ref:1599319) | #1 | ||
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chunterer's post in another thread "will fissi..." got me thinking:
Who are the top drivers from number 1 down (regardless of cars) in your opinion? not who they have been, not who they could be, but WHO are the top 10 form drivers at this very present moment in F1? (IMO top 3 goes without saying) 1. Alonso 2. Michael 3. Kimi 4a. Webber - i'm australian, i don't care, webber is driving the wheels off that williams... 4b. Button - could possibly be higher as his quali has been a sensation, but his racing (or is that his car?) lets him down... 4c. Ralf - he's been inconsistent in the past, but he's really driving well ATM 4d. JPM - i think he will be in top 3 form drivers by seasons end, but imola was his only excellent drive so far (until this weekend hopefully...) 8. Villeneuve - he's slightly outperforming (IMO) his much fancied teammate and showing his class and experience. 9. Massa - doing a fine job, apart from melbourne. consider this: of all those driving a new car this year, who has adapted as well as massa? 10. Fisi - imola wasnt good, but apart from that hes been pretty good, but overshadowed by FA dishonourable achievers: 1. Ide 2. trulli 3. rubens Last edited by rocketracer; 2 May 2006 at 12:04. |
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I think I'd rate Kimi first, but we can't really know. Alonso could be very good at charging, but he never had to. Schumi is not as good as he used to be imo. So:
1. Kimi, Alonso, Schumi 4. JPM, Button 6. Ralf, Trulli, Fisi 9. Coulthard, Massa |
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2 May 2006, 17:39 (Ref:1599497) | #3 | ||
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Trulli and Rubens are capable of a lot more than they are showing at the moment. They are certainly more talented than Albers or Montiero.
On current ability I'd probably put Fernando ahead of Michael, with Kimi a close third. JPM and Button about equal in 4th, with the rest of the top 10 very close - probably Fisichella, Ralf, Webber, Nico and Coulthard in some order. |
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2 May 2006, 17:50 (Ref:1599509) | #4 | ||
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I agree about Trulli. He's always been a very good driver in my opinion. Much closer to the top than what most people think, although not among the top three drivers by any means. When it comes to RB I don't know why but I never liked that guy. I mean, I can't remember any really impressive race by him. His first win (with Hakkinen 2nd) was the most ridiculous, overhyped and overrated win I can remember, after two or three safety cars and gambling with rain. Plus, a couple of accidents that he (imo) has caused. Nothing really special in my opinion - although, obviously, "nothing special" compared to the other F1 drivers, not compared to me
EDIT: I forgot to mention Nico, who seems to be about to become a very good driver. He'll need a couple of years of experience though. Last edited by Menelaos; 2 May 2006 at 17:58. |
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We had a similar thread lkike this last year (started, I think, by Knowlesy) and it was good fun although not to be take too seriously. I even posted the aggregate results up but can't find the thread to link it for comparison purposes with this year. We do need to see more races though to see if a consistent pattern emerges or if fluctuations in form alter our opinions later. However, I can't let this go:-
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1) Alonso
2) Raikkonen 3) M.Schumacher 4) Montoya 5) Nico 6) Button 7) Massa 8) R.Schumacher 9) Heidfeld 10) Webber Lack Lustre 1) Ide (get rid IMO) 2) Barrichello (3rd to 11th!!? and overall bad start to season) 3) Monteiro |
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1.Alonso
2/3.MSchum/Kimi (Kimi has disappointed me a *little* bit so far) 4.Monty 5.Button 6.Nobody Things become more blurred below. Maybe I forget someone. 7.Webber 8.Fisi 9.Nico? . . . |
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2 May 2006, 19:55 (Ref:1599616) | #8 | ||
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Top three at the moment
FA, KR and MS then, JPM, JB, NR (in the near future) after MW, RB, Fisi, and Nick |
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Hmmmm....
At the moment I see it like this. Tier 1: Fernando Alonso Tier 2: M Schumacher Tier 3: Kimi Raikkonen/Juan Pablo Montoya/Jenson Button Tier 4: Mark Webber/Ralf Schumacher/Nico Rosberg/Nick Heidfeld/Jacques Villeneuve/Christian Klien Tier 5:Takuma Sato/Vitantonio Liuzzi/Scott Speed/David Coulthard Tier dissapointment and unnoticable: Giancarlo Fisichella/Jarno Trulli/Felipe Massa/Rubens Barrichello Tier crap: Yuji Ide Anyone from tier 1-5 I'd have in my team at this moment in time. |
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Quite agree with you, but I would rate MS higher, although I do not side with him. Without him, Ferrari would not have won those championships in a row. I am very eager to see more performances of Speed and Liuzzi, although Speed disapointed me a bit in A1GP |
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2 May 2006, 21:07 (Ref:1599684) | #11 | ||
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Hi Knowlesy,
We almost agree this time (this is probably the best we will ever do). Predictably, you are too forgiving toward JPM. JPM's spinning out on the formation lap (and during the race) disqualifies him from your tier no3. On the other hand, Massa doesn't deserve to be put in the dissapointment and unnoticeable category. He made mistakes but he is just starting with ferrari and he has already been doing better than Rubens in terms of lap time differential with MS. We would have a deal if you were putting both JPM and Massa in tier number 4 with the others. You are also a bit too harsh with Fisico. |
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I'd have it as this. Tier 1: Fernando Alonso - Because unless the teams up their game, it's game over next race if he wins. Tier 2: M Schumacher/Kimi Raikkonen/Juan Pablo Montoya - This year, all these will challenge for race wins, seems to me Alonso will win more and finish w/ more podiums than either of these. Tier 3: Mark Webber/Jenson Button/Nick Heidfeld/Jacques Villeneuve Webber is driving the wheels off that thing. Shame about Australia....looked very strong. NH, JV, CK, all look like good for what they've got. Tier 4: Ralf Schumacher/Nico Rosberg/Christian Klien/David Coulthard - Ralf, good showing in Australia and some decent results. Nico, GREAT debut, but has kinda fizzled. CK and DC....eh ok. Klein by a hair here. Tier 5:Takuma Sato/Vitantonio Liuzzi/Scott Speed - TS, debut for SA and only 3/4 laps down at the end of the race w/ a car that's 4 years old? I'd put him up in #4, but....resaults and showing are just that. The others, doing ok for what they've got. Tier dissapointment and unnoticable: Giancarlo Fisichella/Jarno Trulli/Felipe Massa/Rubens Barrichello - OYE! Total "get your cowboy boots because the crap is too thick" crap: Yuji Ide Last edited by dcp2685; 2 May 2006 at 23:11. |
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Err....predictably forgiving with Button? He ain't one of my favourites Louis, so put away that nationalistic tag now!
And does Michael Schumacher's collision on installation lap and spin out under safety car (on the same day in Shanghai 05!) rule him out of tier 2 then? No it doesn't, so JPM remains in my Tier 3. Of course, you're not obliged to agree with this! |
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In fairness Louis, I see you've edited your post.....
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1) Alonso
1.5) M.Schumacher 2.5) Raikkonen 3) Montoya 4) Button 5) Rosberg 7) Webber 8) Barrichello 9) Heidfeld / Villeneuve / Klein 10) Fisichella / R.Schumacher & Trulli - Can be very quick on their day and when they are they are the quickest but not consistent enough. |
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1. Alonso
2. Kimi 3. TGF 4. Button 5. Montoya 6. Rosberg 7. Webber 8. Villeneuve 9. Heidfeld 10. Fisichella |
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1. Alonso
2. Kimi 3. TGF 4. Button 5. Montoya 6. Rosberg 7. Webber 8. Villeneuve 9. Heidfeld 10. Fisichella Ditto. |
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Of Course the real answer is:
1 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 36 2 Michael Schumacher German Ferrari 21 3 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 18 4 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 15 4= Juan Pablo Montoya Colombian McLaren-Mercedes 15 6 Jenson Button British Honda 13 7 Felipe Massa Brazilian Ferrari 9 8 Ralf Schumacher German Toyota 7 9 Mark Webber Australian Williams-Cosworth 6 10 Nick Heidfeld German Sauber-BMW 5 10= Jacques Villeneuve Canadian Sauber-BMW 5 12 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Honda 2 12= Nico Rosberg German Williams-Cosworth 2 14 David Coulthard British RBR-Ferrari 1 14= Christian Klien Austrian RBR-Ferrari 1 Results are what count Most of you have severely over rated Nico, the kid is good, and he will be top tier, but he is still being blooded in. Over rated Button, no surprises there Under rated Fisi, yes he runs hot an cold, but he is Italian! And under rated Massa, the first race was crap, and he was taken out in Aus, but he has driven similar to where Rubens would have otherwise, and Rubens had been there for a long time |
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The above results probably have more to do with car performance rather than driver performance.
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true there notso, but the fun of the thread was about which drivers have form at the moment regardless of the car they are in (and hence the points they are able to score)....
though i agree mostly with your comments with regards to the drivers... nico has shown glimpses of good form and will undoubtedly become a sensation in years to come, but surely all would agree he is being outraced by webber at the moment, and so therefore webber in better form deserves the higher ranking... massa was quick at sauber but has adapted extremely well so far after 4 races - think of JPM last year, who took a long time to get used to the car and is only really doing so now (he's said this himself), most top line drivers do have these problems these days adjusting, but massa is on or above rubens pace from word go (he has the disadvantage of being compared to TGF...) and will only get better IMO... |
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