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Old 11 Aug 2014, 10:14 (Ref:3443444)   #61
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Re Armco Bender, ah well I did post it directly after reading and seeing the incident, I was probably pretty hot about it seeing a poor driver die and the involvement of one of my favourite drivers. Nevertheless I think it's far from worst post ever.

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Old 11 Aug 2014, 15:26 (Ref:3443483)   #62
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My condolences to the family and friends of Kevin Ward Jr.

Assuming we have all see the same video, the level of "absolute certainty" on the conclusions being reached by people is shocking. I don't even want to comment as to what "I" see as it would just be more unfounded speculation.

As to drivers walking on a hot track to vent their anger at someone. It can't be 100% stopped, but until stiff penalties are handed out, preventable accidents and deaths like this will continue.

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Old 11 Aug 2014, 15:50 (Ref:3443487)   #63
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I don't think it's been posted here yet, but for what it's worth, Tony Stewart's not currently facing criminal charges. This is according to the Ontario County Sheriff.

Autosport piece here.
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Old 11 Aug 2014, 16:55 (Ref:3443501)   #64
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Old 11 Aug 2014, 22:27 (Ref:3443570)   #65
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1. no charges
2. new rules about leaving a disabled car on track.
3. $$$$ for the family.
4. biz as usual at nascar.
5. sleepless nights for ts.
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Old 11 Aug 2014, 22:32 (Ref:3443571)   #66
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In all of this, just spare a thought for the safety crews who witnessed this and then had to deal with the aftermath. I can't imagine what they've been going through the last few days.
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Old 11 Aug 2014, 23:34 (Ref:3443578)   #67
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In all of this, just spare a thought for the safety crews who witnessed this and then had to deal with the aftermath. I can't imagine what they've been going through the last few days.

+1

ts credited nascar safety workers for saving his leg and possibly his life.

they were so fast to respond, the guy must have been killed instantly.
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Old 12 Aug 2014, 00:16 (Ref:3443585)   #68
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In all of this, just spare a thought for the safety crews who witnessed this and then had to deal with the aftermath. I can't imagine what they've been going through the last few days.
Well put.
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In all of this, just spare a thought for the safety crews who witnessed this and then had to deal with the aftermath. I can't imagine what they've been going through the last few days.
Agree - would have been harrowing at the time and no doubt haunting them still.
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Audi fansite article on what it's like to be a journalist at a "hot track" event. Not the same as being a driver, but it shows how professional racing tends to take "hot track" action seriously, including the fact that photogs who violate hot track etiquette can be banned from attending WEC events and events at Le Mans until the end of the racing season:

http://fourtitude.com/news/motorspor...-tony-stewart/

Maybe similar restrictions need to be placed on drivers who aren't trying to avoid on-track action and get too close to other cars for retaliatory reasons. As I've said, I'd rather see fist fights in the pits and garage area than some of the close on-track stuff.
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Everyone participating and/or involved in the running of these types of events is fully aware that they should not do what Kevin Ward Jr did. I's nothing new. It's always been that way. Unfortunately people do things they're not supposed to do and expose themselves to grave danger in the process. We will never know why Kevin did what he did and I'm not sure it's possible to legislate something like this happening again.
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Old 12 Aug 2014, 12:05 (Ref:3443664)   #72
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Well yeah it's all just speculation and opinion, none of us really know what was going trough Tony's head. Maybe he never even saw Ward at all.

Another reason he could have accelerated at that point may have been because he was trying to get away from Ward. Perhaps he thought Ward was going to throw something at the car (like his helmet) and stepped on it? Who knows.

No I've never driven a sprint car, but do you really need to throttle slide the car to get it around a corner at low speed under caution? High speed, sure, but low speed with another driver on foot right next to you? I wouldn't have thought so.
I have posted this elsewhere, too. I still cannot believe how people take it as a fact that Stewart even accelerated. There is no (as in zero) factual evidence of him blipping the throttle in that video.
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I was away over the weekend and only learned of this yesterday.

I have to say I am shocked and appalled. This has to be one of the most grotesque things to have ever happened on a racetrack.

I agree that too many assumptions are being drawn from that single video. There is nothing conclusive there, it can be construed in several ways.

I fail to believe that there was any intent, Tony Stewart is a bit of a gentleman's appendage, but even he wouldn't be that screw-loose. I would entertain the theory of him attempting to 'scare' the kid or disrespecting him by spraying him with dirt. I just don't think he expected the guy to be stood right on the high line, in the dark, in an all black get-up...

Whatever happens, a 20yr old is left dead and one of NASCAR's biggest stars career has ended. Dreadfully sad event.
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one of NASCAR's biggest stars career has ended.
i think there's only a 10% chance his career is over.

nascar is like a lot of big corps. they're better at branding than quality.
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Old 12 Aug 2014, 14:27 (Ref:3443700)   #75
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Everyone participating and/or involved in the running of these types of events is fully aware that they should not do what Kevin Ward Jr did. I's nothing new. It's always been that way. Unfortunately people do things they're not supposed to do and expose themselves to grave danger in the process. We will never know why Kevin did what he did and I'm not sure it's possible to legislate something like this happening again.
I agree that you can never absolutely stop stuff like this, but I do think that stiff penalties can have a positive influence.

I can imagine scenarios today in which if someone confronts another driver on track, that later in the paddock, even if generally viewed as a bad thing, there is going to be a level of "attaboy", back slaps, thumbs up and high fives and ultimately some wrist slapping as punishment. What needs to happen is that when the driver gets back to the paddock, the reaction is "I can't believe you did that, you are really screwed!" The problem is that the practice is effectively only "frowned" upon officially and unofficially celebrated.

I would say a stiff penalty for first time offender such as removal from the racing series for period of time and that repeat offenders are eventually banned. Nobody should be walking around on a hot track ranting at other drivers. I don't want to accidently run someone down that is doing this. Take your arguments, etc. and settle them off the track.

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