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Old 12 Aug 2014, 14:44 (Ref:3443703)   #76
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Sadly, NASCAR and other bodies have "criminalized" setting things mono e mono in the garage and such, while in actuality using any on or off track incident to spice up the show because controversy sells. Helmet throwing or gesturing at a guy on track will get you nothing, while, for example, Marcos Ambrose and Casey Mears got fined $25 grand and $15 grand respectively for doing the "better" option and having a fist fight in the garage at Richmond this year. Sadly, such a boxing match would be a safer option than getting close to race cars even when they're going pit speed.

To be honest, on that end, I can't blame people claiming that such things make out the sport to be the WWE at best, and a place where hot heads and really do some stupid stuff and really hurt someone or themselves, or worse, at worst.
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Old 12 Aug 2014, 15:07 (Ref:3443708)   #77
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Sadly, this type of out-of-car confrontation is not unique to the US. Martin Schanche did a similar thing in rallycross back in 1992, survived, and got a ban that almost finished his career. And didn't James Hunt try to do something similar at Monaco, albeit close to the barriers...

I feel sorry for Tony Stewart. Whatever he intended I'm sure he didn't intend to hit Kevin.

For me they should show this video at every rookie drivers' orientation programme or ARDS course. It might help make this 'confrontation' nonsense stop.
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Old 13 Aug 2014, 00:25 (Ref:3443834)   #78
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Sadly, this type of out-of-car confrontation is not unique to the US. Martin Schanche did a similar thing in rallycross back in 1992, survived, and got a ban that almost finished his career. And didn't James Hunt try to do something similar at Monaco, albeit close to the barriers...

I feel sorry for Tony Stewart. Whatever he intended I'm sure he didn't intend to hit Kevin.

For me they should show this video at every rookie drivers' orientation programme or ARDS course. It might help make this 'confrontation' nonsense stop.
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UNREAL!

"I feel sorry for Tony Stewart. Whatever he intended I'm sure he didn't intend to hit Kevin."
Me too, I don't believe Stewart even saw Ward, Stewart was following close behind and further out than the car in front of him, which swerved to miss Ward, and Stewart's attention would have been focused on the rear of the car in front, and then it was dark the lighting was patchy and Ward was dressed in black and where he clearly should never have been!

Sadly, Stewart had no chance imo!
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Old 13 Aug 2014, 07:24 (Ref:3443880)   #79
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I remember that Martin Schanche incident. He ought to have been given a lifetime ban from motor sport for what he did there.
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Old 15 Aug 2014, 02:27 (Ref:3444400)   #80
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UNREAL!

"I feel sorry for Tony Stewart. Whatever he intended I'm sure he didn't intend to hit Kevin."
Me too, I don't believe Stewart even saw Ward, Stewart was following close behind and further out than the car in front of him, which swerved to miss Ward, and Stewart's attention would have been focused on the rear of the car in front, and then it was dark the lighting was patchy and Ward was dressed in black and where he clearly should never have been!

Sadly, Stewart had no chance imo!
If Schanche had gotten hit I can't say I would have felt bad for him at all. Sometimes you can't stop stupid.
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This incident continues to remind me of of the Ricky Rudd/Mike Rich incident in '90. If you don't know, Rudd lost control of his car on pit lane (prior to speed limits) and slid backward into Bill Elliott's car. Mike Rich was the tire changer and was crushed. He died of his injuries the next day.

I read this article last night and while the circumstances were different, I think it's pertinent to the current situation. Not trying to be morbid, but I think it gives us some insight into what Stewart is going through.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...-road-pit-stop
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That's the incident that gave us the slower pit speeds.
Before that , it was full speed down pit lane.
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For those unfamiliar with American laws (like me) and want to know what Tony can potentially be charged with, here is an article that provides short, simple explanations.
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For those unfamiliar with American laws (like me) and want to know what Tony can potentially be charged with, here is an article that provides short, simple explanations.
Very interesting article. It does seem to indicate that the likelihood of Stewart facing criminal charges is remote. It's almost a certainty though that Ward's family will file a civil suit against Stewart.
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Very interesting article. It does seem to indicate that the likelihood of Stewart facing criminal charges is remote. It's almost a certainty though that Ward's family will file a civil suit against Stewart.
I'm going to gamble and say that criminal charges will probably not happen. If they do happen, I don't believe you'll get 12 jurors to agree on him being guilty, especially once expert testimony is heard.

A civil suit will probably go ahead, but considering that the victim ran at the car putting himself in a position to get run over is probably going to work against them. Most likely to avoid losing entirely both parties will reach a settlement instead.
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I'm going to gamble and say that criminal charges will probably not happen. If they do happen, I don't believe you'll get 12 jurors to agree on him being guilty, especially once expert testimony is heard.

A civil suit will probably go ahead, but considering that the victim ran at the car putting himself in a position to get run over is probably going to work against them. Most likely to avoid losing entirely both parties will reach a settlement instead.
That's probably exactly what will happen.
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I'm going to gamble and say that criminal charges will probably not happen.
I agree. If the investigation is truly complete, why hold off the announcement for several days?
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From the beginning, I have thought the worst for Tony out of all this would be an out of court settlement to Ward's family and that the general would never really know the extent.

I too expect no criminal charges whatsoever, and have from the onset.
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Going to grand jury.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup...ent-grand-jury

DA went the easy way out.
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